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He also has these medals: (Please correct the names if I am wrong) Afghanistan Nishan-i-Astour (the Order of the Star) Republic of Korea War Service Medal (ROKWSM) Republic of Korea Service Veteran Medal 2 Turkish UN Korean War Medal Demir

Hello, Thanks a lot for the info. Much appreciated. I look the net in order to find the unidentified medal but to no avail. If you can find it (I am searching) it would be wonderful. All the best Demir

Hello, Thanks a lot for the info. Much appreciated. I look the net in order to find the unidentified medal but to no avail. If you can find it (I am searching) it would be wonderful. All the best Demir

http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_05_2013/post-4190-0-91817500-1369230215.jpgHi, There are 5 medals in the photo awarded to martyr Turkish Colonel Nuri Pamir who was shot dead in Korea June 5, 1952. The first one is the Turkish Independence War Medal, second the Turkish War Medal. Then next 2 USA medals and I think last one is Korean. Will you please help me to recognize these medals. Thanks Demir

Hi, There are 5 medals in the photo awarded to martyr Turkish Colonel Nuri Pamir who was shot dead in Korea June 5, 1952. The first one is the Turkish Independence War Medal, second the Turkish War Medal. Then next 2 USA medals and I think last one is Korean. Will you please help me to recognize these medals. Thanks Demir

Gen. Halit Karsıalan http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halit_Kars%C4%B1alan

GERMAN AIRMEN 1. German airmen in Palestine 2. First lieutenant Keiper 3. First lieutenant Hellmuth Felmy 4. First lieutenant Hans Jürgen von Schlichting 5. First lieutenant Hans Jürgen von Schlichting at the funeral of von der Goltz Pasha. 22.6.1916 http://www.buddecke.de/schlichting.htm 6. First lieutenant Richard Falke

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Kaiser and Mustafa Kemal Ataturk

I think he is GfM von Mackensen

Turks : 1 row from left: 1. 2nd. Lt S. Fikri (Mutlu) from the village of Mut of the Mersin Province. 2. 2 soldiers 3. 2 soldiers at Ariburnu, Gallipoli 4. Ismet bey - Palestine Commander 3rd Corps (Later 2nd President of the Turkish Republic) 5. Sergeant Ibrahim Hakki 27th Regiment (Heroes who first stopped the invading forces with the 57th Reg.), Gallipoli 2nd row: 6. Prof. Dr. Suleyman Numan Pasha, The Head of the Battlefield Medical Service 7. A Turkish officer called Yusuf decorated with the TWM 8. Ahmed Cemal Pasha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djemal_Pasha) 9. Colonel and Ambassodor Behic Erkin (Turkey's ambassador to Budapest between 1928–1939, and to Paris and Vichy between August 1939-August 1943. As Turkish ambassador in France under the German Occupation after June 1940, Erkin used the power of his office and nation's neutrality to save Jews who could document a Turkish connection, however slight, from the Holocaust.-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behic_Erkin) 3rd row: 10. Ali Fuat Cebesoy Pasha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Fuat_Cebesoy) 11. An Assistant Sergeant Major (Bascavas Muavini) with 2 TWMs 12. He dedicated this photo to his elder brother Arif Date: 6 Teşrini evvel 34,1334 (October 1918) 13. 2nd Lieutenant Tahir Karauguz 4rd row: 14. Gendarmerie 2nd Lt. Selahattin Efendi (Col. Günay) was one of the heroes of Gallipoli land battles. 15. Lieutenant Hasan Dursun 16. Nuri (Killigil) Pasha (Half brother of Enver Pasha)(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuri_Killigil) 17. Prince Omer Faruk Efendi (http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96mer_Faruk_Osmano%C4%9Flu) 5th row: 18. Captain Pilot Cemil (Ucman) 19. Artillery Sergeant Major Ismail Doganer 20. (Briagadier) Halit Karsialan 21. (Major General) Ahmet Faik Pasha Commander 2nd Corps 6th row: 22. An officer with his family 23. An Officer 24. 1st. Lieutenant Kılıc Ali (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_K%C4%B1l%C4%B1%C3%A7)

More KuK officers From right: 1. KuK officers (3rd from right) 2. General Pokorny Hermann (Hungarian) 3. Nykolaj Zsekov

Now some Austro-Hungarians who has the TWM. (source: GMIC, Wehrmacht, Axis and Mr. Tosun Saral who received the Hungarian Merit Order Knight Cross recently) 1st row: 1. Hauptmann Gojkomir Glogovac nicknamed the machine gun Bosnia Unit Commander 2. General of Infantry Peter Baron von Hofmann was born on the 10th June 1865 in Vienna as the son of an army officer. (second from left) 3. Friedrich Georgi was born on the 27th of January 1852 in Prague. As the son of a retired Oberst. TWM 1917 2nd row: 4. General Viktor Weber Edler von Webenau, 1916-1917 military governor general and thus actual head of state of Montenegro. 5. Alfred Jansa von Tannenau, Generalstabsoffizier 1915-1916 on the Balkan front. TWM on his chest. 6. Officer 7. Hauptmann Willy Martin Rohr 3rd row: 8. Hungarian pilot in the KuK Army 9. Hungarian Erzherzog Josef Franz (Leopold Anton Ignatius Maria) born 28th of March 1895 at Brünn (Brno) 10. Oberleutnant Richard Hess (Hungarian) 4rd row: 11.Viktor Severus 12. Wenzel Freiherr von Wurm, awarded Eiserner Halbmond in 1918.

I would like to share some photos of the Turkish Allies who have the TWM. PLEASE SHARE WHAT YOU HAVE ALSO: Top from left: 1. German Officer 2. German Officer - Asain Corps 3. Bulgarian NCO which was shared here in GMIC before by Theodor. 4. German Officer Bottom: 1. German Officer 2. Bulgarian Officers 3. Jordan Tal Scheich Jussuf Ul Ursan and Hauptmann Justin 4. German Officer in Maceonia 1917 Photos are shared by Mr. Iscen who collected them from the Net. Enjoy Demir

Thank you gentlemen, for your lovely remarks. As you all emphasized Ataturk was a great soldier and statesman. The war in Canakkale showed the world how even the enemies respected each other and chivalry of the both sides, and at the end created 3 new Countries; Australia, New Zealand and Turkey. Demir

It is the 98th anniversary of Canakkale invasion. 24-25.4.1915 We had the Dawn Service last night. In 1934 Ataturk wrote a moving tribute to those heroes-ANZACs who shed their bloods and to their mothers. This is an important message from the President of the young Turkish Republic to his old enemies but new friends. There is nothing to add. LEST WE FORGET Demir

Hi, Sorry to bring it to your attention the Crimean war lasted from October 4, 1853 to March 30, 1856. According to the dates you gave Muzzarelli was 9 years old when the war started. Still he could have received it for his services in a later date when he was in the military if he ever served the Ottomans. What is "a member of the Legion of Honor of the Turkish Order of Medjidie" ? Is this a club for those who was awarded the Order or the fans of the Order? As far as I know there is no list in our hands. Regards Demir

In my book The Turkish War Medal I showed a War Medal Document which had 4 lines. After publishing the book, Hector (GMIC Member) has send me a TWM Document which had 3 lines. (In the pictures below the difference between 3 and 4 lines are shown in red)(Blues are "you" which is not found in the 3 line documents, instead there is a blank space) After that, I found out more of these 3 line documents and finally bought one (I only gave half of the price asked) which belongs to a Bulgarian Brigadier (Ottoman Turkish: Mirliva) Janko Draganoff. (Purple colour is used to fill out spaces in the 3 line document) In the 3 line document the paragraph ends without the word (Bundan) at the end of the 3rd line. Here I share with you the original document and the Ottoman Turkish, Turkish and English versions. An original translation of the document made by the diplomats at the Ottoman Legation in Sofia while presenting the Medal is also shared below. Please also notice that; in the 3 line document there is another blank space in the 3rd line which has to be filled out, this blank space was replaced by “YOU” in the 4 line document instead of writing a name or a title or a courtesy title,like in this document. Also note that the document was given on behalf of the Sultan by Enver Pahsa as mentioned in my correction thread : http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/53717-the-turkish-war-medal-a-book-review/page-2#entry541606 What is this 3 line document, is it original? Yes it is original and IMHO there are 2 options: These 3 line documents were the earlier samples when the Medal was still given sparingly and people had no worries about filling in the 3rd blank space in the 3rd line. Or these were given to the allies without the 4th line, because the 4th line advise the citizens how to behave after receiving this award “So that / from now on you will continue to carry out your duties within law in the best way possible and spend special efforts to receive praises and to reach higher levels.” (But this is Enver Pasha who thought he had the authority to give advice to everybody) If these 3 line documents were given to the allies who were not citizens, then how come lots of allies have 4 line documents? Then we may say that 3 line documents are the earlier types and Enver Pasha decided to add some advice to the citizens in the later 4 line version ? Best wishes Demir

Errata list for the book THE TURKISH WAR MEDAL: Please note the difference in the translation of the TWM Document. PAGES: 47,77,78,81,82 OLD: … you are granted the War Medal by our esteemed imperial majesty, his royal highness Sultan. NEW: ... you are granted the War Medal on behalf of holy sublime imperial majesty, His Royal Highness Sultan. Even though I explained in the book that Enver Pasha changed the Regulation of the War Medal and replaced the word "Berat" (Document signed by the Sultan) with "Vesika" (Document) in order to make it possible for him to sign it (the documents have his seal and signature on them), I missed the the old Turkish word "nam-ı" in the original document while translating (actually it means "on behalf of"). Thanks Demir

Hi, After commenting 2 professional dealers as Paul and Avşar, it may not be appropriate but may I ask ? Are the photos given above for the Ottoman Mejidi, reverse and obverse, exactly same position? If they are, the centre piece is not in the correct position, the top layer for sure is not. But it is an original piece. Demir

Normally one must not make any changes, as the medals of other countries. Every medal has a special ribbon. For example The Greek War Medal's ribbon has 4 red and 3 green lines. I am sharing the picture of the medal which is in my collection. Most of the medals are red with green lines at the edges like the Liyakat (Merit) medal. Regards Demir

Hi, For the Ottoman NCO ranks please see: History of NCO Rank Insignias in TURKEY WRITTEN by: Air Sergeant Major Salim DİKDURAN http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/files/file/40-nco-rank-insignia-used-in-the-turkish-army-since-1876/ or see the chart below by Air Sergeant Major Salim DİKDURAN According to this chart 1914-1918 period: Onbaşı (Corporal) - No stripe Çavuş (Sergeant) - 1 stripe Başçavuş Muavini - 2 stripe Başçavuş (Sergeant Major) - 3 stripe

Nice one. One can find especially this Greek War Medal with a hand crafted silver suspension instead of a red ribbon with green stripes.

Yes the names are all written in Turkish spelling like the first document: (Sergeant Major Folker) (Turkish spelling) (In the wreath) (Ober maschinist maat Völker on SMS Baden) -------------------- "Muavin" in Turkish means 'assistant'. So "Başçavuş Muavini" (sergeant major's assistant) is rank lower then 'Sergeant Major' - (Başçavuş) and according to Wikipedia 'Sergeant Major' is lower then Offiziersstellvertreter (Warrant Officer).

Second Document: I think Assistant ? Sergeant Paul Rusler was serving under the Army Auto unit no: 715 in Palestine where the Yıldırım Armies Group was deployed at the end of the war. Regards Demir Başçavuş Muavini Paul Rusler (In the wreath) Bin üç yüz otuz iki ve otuz üç seneleri harbinde vezaif-i mevdûanda hüsn-i hidmet ve say-ü gayret göstermiş olduğunuzdan dolayı nam-ı akdes hümayun hazret-i padişahiye olarak sana harb madalyası verildi. Bundan böyle dahi her halde kanun dairesinde ifa-yı hüsn-ü hidmetle iktisab-ı feyz ve memduhiyyete sa’y ü gayret eyleyesin. Signature (of Enver Pasha) Seal (Enver Minister of War) ( Assistant ? Sergeant Paul Rusler) (In the wreath) During the war in the years one thousand nine hundred fourteen and fifteen While implementing your duties given to you / for your Good services and continous effort / you are granted the War Medal by our esteemed imperial majesty, his royal highness Sultan. So that/ from now on you will continue to carry out your duties within law in the best way possible and spend special efforts to receive praises and to reach higher levels. Signature (of Enver Pasha) Seal (Enver Minister of War) Reverse: Ordusu Yıldırım Kolordusu Fırkası 715 numrolu ordu otomobil kolundan Alayı Taburu Bölüğü (Memleketi) Başçavuş Muavini Paul Rusler signatures 30 Nisan 1334 Yıldırım Kumandanlığı (seal) Reverse: Army : Thunderbolt Corps Division Army Auto Corps no: 715 Regiment Battalion Company { THE PLACE OF BIRTH } Assistant ? Sergeant Paul Rusler Signatures 30 April 1918 Yıldırım (Thurderbolt) Headquarters Seal