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dfdenizyaran shared a photo above in this forum. (Posted 02 August 2012 - 18:22) That photo gives a good idea about the uniforms of the 1st Turkish Brigade, before leaving for Korea at Etimesgut in Ankara. From left: Col. Celal Dora -Comm. 241.nd Regiment, Dep. Comm. Natik Poyrazoglu, Captain Abbas Yurdakul, adjutant Capt. Halim Irsoy, 5th Captain ?, Regiment Legal Adv. Capt. Munir Araslı, Captain Muzaffer Sebukcebe and First Lieutenant Seref Unuvar And here is the Standard of the 241st Infantry Regiment that landed on Pusan Korea in 1950.

Officer Rank Insignia used in the Turkish Army 1909 - 2012 By : Instructor Col. Kadir Türker GEÇER Silahlı Kuvvetler Dergisi (Journal of the Turkish Armed Forces) Ocak (January) 2012, ANKARA,TURKEY Sayı (Issue No): 411 Pages 68-85, Edited by: Demir Erman Please download it from Documents Archive of GMIC http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/files/file/37-rank-insignia-used-in-the-turkish-army-since-1909/ Regards Demir

Paul, Sorry I do not have the NCO's. Please check this file from the GMIC Document Archive and you can download it. Rank Insignia Used in the Turkish Army Since 1909 By : Instructor Col. Kadir Türker GEÇER Silahli Kuvvetler Dergisi (Journal of the Turkish Armed Forces) Ocak (January) 2012, ANKARA,TURKEY Sayi (Issue No): 411 Pages 68-85, http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/files/file/37-rank-insignia-used-in-the-turkish-army-since-1909/

More photos from Korea 1. An enlisted man writing letter to loved one 2. An enlisted man writing letter to loved one 3. Miitary Band Sergeant Major Suleyman Keskin

NCO's in KOREA 1. Kaya Erguder 2. Muharrem Ceviker 3. 6 Turkish NCO's, in 1951 4. NCO

I would like to add some more pictures to give an idea about the Turkish troops. 1st Brigade 1. 1st Brigade Commander Brigadier Tahsin Yazici during General McArthur's visit 2. 1st Brigade Commander Brigadier Tahsin Yazici with Regiment Dep. Com. Lt. Colonel Natik Poyrazoglu (on his right) and journalist Feridun Es 3. 1st Brigade Regiment Comm. Col. Celal Dora, adjutant to Col. Celal Dora Captain Halim Irsoy (Col. Dora'sright) Far right Captain Abbas Yurdakul 4. 1st Brigade Commander Brigadier Tahsin Yazici and 1st Brigade Regiment Comm. Col. Celal Dora with journalist Feridun Es From the collection of Mr. Erhan Cifci (these and the following ones)

Hi, If you are interested in the TWM and the Ottoman Medals, uniforms, history you can check these pages, they are all in Turkish but we can always translate, if you ask. Ottoman medals, uniforms etc: https://www.facebook...nlimadalyalari/ TWM: https://www.facebook.../harpmadalyasi/ Korean war: https://www.facebook.../koremadalyasi/ https://www.facebook...ups/koresavasi/ Ottoman Military History: https://www.facebook...20944871281282/ Regards Demir

Hi, if you are interested in the TWM and the Ottoman Medals you can check these pages, they are in Turkish but we always translate if you ask. for Ottoman medals, uniforms etc: https://www.facebook.com/groups/osmanlimadalyalari/ TWM: https://www.facebook.com/groups/harpmadalyasi/ Korean war: https://www.facebook.com/groups/koremadalyasi/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/koresavasi/ Ottoman Military History: https://www.facebook.com/groups/420944871281282/ Regards Demir

I suspect the nurse with the TWM is the nurse whom NAXOS posted (a photo of her) in his thread (Elfriede Scherhaus). The photo resembles her very much. I can not say anything more after what I said above . . IMHO if the nurse was so strict applying the rules (wearing the TWM just the right place and also had the ribbon exactly where it belongs) then the ribbon most probably has been the EKII ribbon. Regards Demir

a needle in a haystack :jumping:

They must be, Ottomans had very good archive system, they had everything registered, the problem for us now is, they were written using the Arabic alphabet. So unless the Ottoman Archives people have them translated, we have to find somebody who can locate them and read them. Are you looking for a specific roll, so that I can check asking friends.

6th Div-Thrace 1914,Gallipoli (June 1915), Mesopotamia 1916, Persia 1916, Mesoptomia 1917/18. but the Gendarmerie might not be gone with them to other areas.

With a little help from my friends (like the Beatles song) The translation of the dog tag is: 6th Division, 3rd Mobile Regiment, 142 (enlisted man number). It has to be Mobile Gendarmerie Regiment Regards Demir

Claudio, Thanks for sharing with us this lovely collection of yours and all the documents. Regards Demir

Hi, Nice set, lovely German made medal and ribbon. The metal piece (dog tag?) has to be pictured after turning it. The numbers are from top: 6, 3 and 142. If you post a bigger picture of the metal piece (after turning it) I will ask help for the words. Regards. Demir PS: I am glad that you liked the Turkish War Medal book.

Hello Avşar, Yes I know. I bought it with the nice figures (Tezhip) around the Tughra. It looks nice. Best wishes Demir

Thanks again.

Thanks Don, Thanks for the very clearly documented information. So the medal I shared here in my earlier thread has to be named "6.25 Incident Participation Medal". It is Korean War Service Medal - Type 2 according to your research. Don't you thing it would have been better should you name it 6.25 Incident Participation Medal-type 2 if the name of the medal is "6.25 Incident Participation Medal" why still call it Korean War Service Medal. I am quoting your writing from http://home.earthlink.net/~kwsm/ on the subject here: "Korean War Service Medal - Type 2 At some point in time, the Korean government must have realized that they could not afford to manufacture a million or more of the enameled Type 1 KWSM. They may also have been influenced by the fact that service medals are rarely done in enamels. The medal and box pictured on the left are original Korean War issues. On the right I have digitally enhanced/lightened a picture of the reverse. The line down the center says "6.25 Incident Participation Medal". The rocker across the bottom says: "Republic of Korea". Most of the Korean War Service medals issued by the Korean government, were manufactured by a company called Jung Il Sa. According to Mr. Chang Hui-kwan, the son of the original owner, they have produced this medal with both a dark and a light planchet. Since these are legitimate pieces, I refer to the darker pieces as Type 2 and the lighter planchets as Type 2A.

Here is a good example. The picture of Enver Pasha, the Minister of War

Sorry, I got it from web so no better picture Regards Demir

With the help of very recently learned information and I think it is a correct answer: the answer to question 1 is: the maker of this Medal which has the mirror image of the obverse tughra is : (E.S) Ernst Schneider, Ludenscheid

Hello, I think this question is solved with the help of an other forum friend Konstantin. E.S is most probably the name of the company: Ernst Schneider, Ludenscheid Regards Demir

In this case please allow me to ask some questions: A: When do the Germans started to use the Ges. Gesch. sign for this purpose. Is it the 30s. I found some Ges. Gesch. pictures which has both the Ges.Gesch sign and the the maker name/mark on them and they are all 1930 era. 1. http://gmic.co.uk/in...nk/page__st__20 2. https://www.google.c...iw=1366&bih=653 3. http://www.quanonlin...nate_dagger.php B. If the patent is complete, registration is finished which maker (jeweller) owns the patent since there is no patent number on the pin? C. What is patented the pin or the medal? The medal do not resemble any known medal makers style. It look likes the Ottoman made (bigger picture) lacquer painted medal except the concave arms. D. Is it possible that some maker copied the Ottoman made medal and applied a different style pin and put Ges. Gesch. on the pin, and owned the patent? E. If it is only the pin, could it be the case in BB&Co. medals; that the medal had been made by some producer/maker and the pin is BB&Co? Demir

Hello, Here is another TWM copy which has "legally protected/registered" Ges.Gesch" (gesetzlich geschützt) sign on the pin. Why or from what it is protected from or registered to whom? Interesting! Demir

Hi, Here is a Rothe, Wien maker marked copy/replica of the Turkish War Medal. I does not look kosher to me. Tughra's position is not also right, the maker even did not bother to check the position. There is no need to mention that the tughra is not depicted correctly, as it is the case in most of the European made TWMs. I think this is one of the Rothe, Wien items mentioned in : Austrian Hallmarks on Orders and medals http://gmic.co.uk/in...-orders-medals/ Regards Demir