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Hello, I think this question is solved with the help of an other forum friend Konstantin. E.S is most probably the name of the company: Ernst Schneider, Ludenscheid Regards Demir

In this case please allow me to ask some questions: A: When do the Germans started to use the Ges. Gesch. sign for this purpose. Is it the 30s. I found some Ges. Gesch. pictures which has both the Ges.Gesch sign and the the maker name/mark on them and they are all 1930 era. 1. http://gmic.co.uk/in...nk/page__st__20 2. https://www.google.c...iw=1366&bih=653 3. http://www.quanonlin...nate_dagger.php B. If the patent is complete, registration is finished which maker (jeweller) owns the patent since there is no patent number on the pin? C. What is patented the pin or the medal? The medal do not resemble any known medal makers style. It look likes the Ottoman made (bigger picture) lacquer painted medal except the concave arms. D. Is it possible that some maker copied the Ottoman made medal and applied a different style pin and put Ges. Gesch. on the pin, and owned the patent? E. If it is only the pin, could it be the case in BB&Co. medals; that the medal had been made by some producer/maker and the pin is BB&Co? Demir

Hello, Here is another TWM copy which has "legally protected/registered" Ges.Gesch" (gesetzlich geschützt) sign on the pin. Why or from what it is protected from or registered to whom? Interesting! Demir

Hi, Here is a Rothe, Wien maker marked copy/replica of the Turkish War Medal. I does not look kosher to me. Tughra's position is not also right, the maker even did not bother to check the position. There is no need to mention that the tughra is not depicted correctly, as it is the case in most of the European made TWMs. I think this is one of the Rothe, Wien items mentioned in : Austrian Hallmarks on Orders and medals http://gmic.co.uk/in...-orders-medals/ Regards Demir

Rank insignia were applied over branch color collar tabs since 1920 in the Turkish Army. The colours are still in effect with minor changes. The picture is taken from: http://www.turkeyswar.com/army/ranksuniforms.htm Branches - Collar Tab Color - Textile (From the table made by Col. Türker Geçer) Briagadier to Field Marshal - Brick/tile red - Broad cloth General Staff Officers - Light Purple Brown/Light cherry color - Broad cloth Infantry and machine Gun- very dark green- Broad cloth Cavalry and Cavalry Machine Gun- Silver (Ash Color) -Broad cloth All branches of Artillery and Artillery Observers: Dark Navy Blue- Broad cloth Engineers - Blue- Broad cloth Pilots- cerulean (light blue)- Broad cloth Transportation and Cars- purple- Broad cloth Quartermaster and Mechanical Engineers - Light Purple- Broad cloth Map makers-Cartographers- Green- Broad cloth Ammunition and War Equipment Production- Slate-colored, dark gray (black)- Broad cloth Gendarmerie- Light Navy Blue surrounded by Red-Broad cloth Medical Doctors- Dark Purple Brown/Dark cherry color- Velvet Veterinary- Black- Velvet Pharmacists- sprout color (light gren)- Velvet Musicians- Violet- Velvet

Same here I worked for half an hour, hit the button finish, I don't know where they are

File Name: Rank Insignia used in the Turkish Army since 1909 File Submitter: demir File Submitted: 28 Oct 2012 File Category: European States Officer Rank Insignia used in the Turkish Army 1909 - 2012 By : Instructor Col. Kadir Türker GEÇER Silahlı Kuvvetler Dergisi (Journal of the Turkish Armed Forces) Ocak (January) 2012, ANKARA,TURKEY Sayı (Issue No): 411 Pages 68-85, Edited by: Demir Erman Click here to download this file

Minor changes have also been made in 1964 (Picture 21). 1964 Uniform Code is still in use, but minor changes have been made in 2008 and sharper and smaller stars were used. Regards Demir

Later some minor changes have been made in 1956 (picture 20 )

With the May 17, 1947 Army Uniform Decree, which came in to force on 28 October 1947, radical changes have been made and the stripes which have been used since 1933 been removed. (picture 19)

With the Decree dated 23 May 1933, the shapes of the ranks have been kept but they were applied to the shoulder straps. Also another rank was established Orgeneral (General – now 4 star). Only Maresal insignia (Field Marshal) was kept on the collar. (Picture 18)

After the foundation of the Turkish Republic, with the Military Uniforms Decree of 10 May 1924 the rank insignia system have been reorganized. Although,in the 1924 Regulation the rank straps were still on the collars, they all were 5x7 cm parellelogram shape, but this time and stripes were added under the stars. They were placed on a broadcloth base which carries the color of the unit. (Picture 17)

While the uniform system of 1909 has still been used by the Istanbul Government, the Army of the Government of Grand National Assembly in Ankara adopted a different rank insignia system and instead of shoulder straps, collar straps have been enforced starting from 1920. Pallelogram collar straps have been used by the ranks from Mirliva to Musir (Brigadier to Field Marshal) and equilateral triangle colar stripes have been used by the ranks Zabit Namzedi ( The student of the Military school who has been sent to the front before the graduation) upto Mirliva (Colonel). (Picture 16)

1909-1920

It has always been generally medals, but I thought learning the Officer Rank Insignia used in the Turkish Army starting from 1909 may be interesting to some of our friends. With the permission of the writer Teacher-Instructor Colonel Türker GEÇER, I edited his article which he published in the Military Journal. (Silahli; Kuvvetler Dergisi (Journal of the Turkish Armed Forces) Ocak (January) 2012, ANKARA,TURKEY, Sayi; (Issue No): 411, Pages 68-85) I will post this edited article in several threads because of the picture limitation) I also will post this to "files" in GMIC. Ottoman Army / Turkish Republic Army / English Musir / Maresal / Field Marshal - ----- / Orgeneral / General 4-star Birinci Ferik / Korgeneneral / Lieutenant General 3-star Ferik / Tümgeneral / Major General 2-star Mirliva / Tuggeneral / Brigadier General 1-star Miralay / Albay / Colonel Kaymakam / Yarbay / Lieutenant colonel Binbasi / Binbasi / Major Kolagasi / ---- / Senior Captain Yuzbasi / Yuzbasi / Captain Mulazimi Evvel / Ustegmen 2-star / First Lieutenant Mulazimi; Sâni / Tegmen 1-star / Lieutenant Zabit Vekili / Astegmen 1 stripe / Lieutenant NATO code OF-D Zabit Vekili / Military School Graduates for the first 6 months Zabit Namzedi ( The student of the Military school who has been sent to the front before the graduation) Nefer / Er / Private Officer Rank Insignia used in the Turkish Army 1909 - 2012 By : Instructor Col. Kadir Türker GEÇER Silahli; Kuvvetler Dergisi (Journal of the Turkish Armed Forces) Ocak (January) 2012, ANKARA,TURKEY Sayi (Issue No): 411 Pages: 68-85 Edited by: Demir Erman According to the Military Uniform Regulation 5 June 1325 (18 June 1909) only shoulder straps were going to be applied to the Miltary Uniforms. (Picture 15)

I also would like to add more campaign clasps to ANNEX 3 Gallipoli Romania Sakarya (The name of the battle during the Independence War 23 August-13 September 1921) Tiblisi Regards Demir

Hi, For the Gentlemen who have the book, I would like to give the ERRATA list: ENGLISH ERRATA LIST: Page/line/footnote Original text Corrected text 35/29/ .. von Sanders and by coincedence….. … von Sanders and by coincidence….. 52/18/ Foreigners usually worn the medal … Foreigners usually wore the medal … 53/11/ … envelope. Golden gilt imprint …. … envelope. Silver gilt imprint …. 97/- / annex 17 - 14a Stainhauer&Lück Steinhauer&Lück 109/ - / annex 24 GERMAN NURSE GERMAN NURSE – ALMAN HEMSIRE Thanks Demir

Here is the picture of Armand Charles Guilleminot's Lieutenant-general, Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire 1824-1831 (http://fr.wikipedia....les_Guilleminot) who has the said order on his neck. Demir

Hi, The medal on the left is Vaka,-i Misriye instituted by Sultan Selim III (attached picture) the miniature one is a lovely unofficial medal. The interesting point is this medal is given to those who helped to win the war against the French when they invaded Egypt in March 1801. Demir

As mentioned earlier this medal is not an official medal but a creation. I think a French jeweller has taken the 'crescent and star' of the medal of Vaka-i Misriye (Egypt incident) (the medal shown in the picture attached to "bear"s thread (the medal just right side of the right pocket, which has star and crescent on it). Ottomans in none of their orders used the turban- hat. Also it has nothing to do with the Turkish Republic, actually all the Ottoman medals and orders has been banned with the law no. 2590 which was published in the Official Gazette dated 26.11.1934. Here are two more photos which were recently published in my facebook forum. Demir

Some more Ottoman battle/campaign bars Galicia (left) and Gallipoli Demir

Hi, Here is the "Donanma iane medal" 'berat' (document signed by the Sultan) given to Ali Nurettin. Demir

What can I say more, everything is said above. Thanks Gentlemen for you remarks. :beer:

I discussed this subject with other moderators and now this is another step. The address and name is given to make sure that he won't do the same think to others. You can at least know him from his address and name. He may change his GMIC ID anytime. :mad:

Leopold, Notebaert Dian Refugiestraat 10/bus 1 3290 Diest Belgium You bought a book from me on April 2012. When will you pay? (All correspondence is made through GMIC mail) You got in touch with me on April 11, 2012 and ask me to send my book and said that you have no PAYPAL account and I told you to send me 28.00 EUR cash in a registered mail. I posted the book on April 16 by registered mail (reg. no: RR150280986TR) and you received it on the April 19th. On May 17 when I asked whether you have sent the money, you said that you loved the book and will be sending the money soon. Until this date I did not receive any payment although I have sent you several emails through GMIC. Are you planning to pay in the near future. It is a lousy EUR 28.00. Shame on you. If you tell me that you have no money then I will not ask any more. demir