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Hello JJ, I am posting 2 pictures of Atat?rk. In these pictures he was wearing a War Medal other then J.H.W. ! I am sure that high status receivers did not get high quality "private purchase" versions of the award, everybody was awarded the official version, but later everybody have chosen the one they like. It was nice to present him a copy of J.H Werner. In the first picture he was sitting: in Halep (now Syria) dated 1917 while he was the Commander of the 7th Army under the Thunder Army Groups. (Although in the Atat?rk's Moseleum Museum the explanation under the Medal says that the medal awarded by the Sultan on 11.5.1918 OFFICIALLY ) The 2nd picture standing: while he was the Commander of the Thunder Army Groups (Turkish: Yıldırım Orduları Gurubu), replacing Liman von Sanders in Sinai and Palestine Campaign dated 1918. But as Mr. Avşar İbar says he has a J.H. Weber also ( A better looking medal comparing the others) but in these pictures he was wearing a normal TWM. note: For belt buckle collectors please check his buckle (picture below) Best wishes Demir ERMAN

Hi, I don't know. I will try to learn. Thanks Demir

The Korean War Service Medal (or Republic of Korea War Service Medal (ROKWSM)) is a decoration of South Korea which was first authorized in December 1950. Originally known as the Incident Participation Medal the medal was first authorized to South Korean troops who had participated in the initial counter-assaults against North Korean aggression in June 1950. In 1951, President Syngman Rhee ordered that the Incident Participation Medal be renamed as the War Service Medal and further authorized the decoration to any troops who were defending South Korea against invasion. In 1954, the South Korean government authorized the now called Korean War Service Medal to all United Nations troops who had fought in the Korean War between the dates of June 25, 1950 to July 27, 1953. Thank you all Gentlemen, for all your kind attention. Best wishes Demir ERMAN

THE KOREAN WAR AND TURKISH TROOPS The war started between South and North Korea in June 1950. Under the UN command, 39.000 troops served from Australia, Belgium, Canada, Colombia, Ethiopia, France, Greece, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Philippines, South Korea, Thailand, TURKEY, Union of South Africa, United Kingdom and the United States. Denmark and Italy provided medical support only. Turkish soldiers arrived South KOREA in 17 October 1950. They stayed in Korea until the end of the war (1954). Turkish troops saved American 8th Army from a big disaster and massacre. There were 5000 Turkish soldiers any time under the 5th Brigade. 717 Turkish soldiers KIA, 2246 soldiers wounded, 167 MIA for the freedom of Korea. The tinnie in memory of the 5th Brigade is shown below with the Turkish United Nations Korean war Service Medal Thanks Demir ERMAN

6. GREEK UN Service Medal for Korean War 7. KOREAN UN Service Medal for Korean War 8. THAI UN Service Medal for Korean War

3. AMHARIC (Ethiopia) UN Service Medal for Korean War 4. DUTCH UN Service Medal for Korean War 5. FRENCH UN Service Medal for Korean War

the SPANISH UN medal which I don't have

1. TURKISH UN Service Medal for Korean War 2. ENGLISH UN Service Medal for Korean War

Dear Gentlemen, I would like to share with you my UN Korean war medals. I have all of the shown Languages except the Spanish and Filipino versions awarded. I also would like to give some short information about the UN medal and the war: Summary: Under the UN command, 39.000 troops served from Australia, Belgium, Canada, Colombia, Ethiopia, France, Greece, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Philippines, South Korea, Thailand, TURKEY, Union of South Africa, United Kingdom and the United States. Denmark and Italy provided medical support only. --------------------------------------- UNITED NATIONS SERVICE MEDAL for KOREAN WAR ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Service_Medal ) The United Nations Service Medal for Korea is an international military decoration which was established by the United Nations on December 12, 1950. The decoration was the first international award ever created and recognized the multi-national defense forces which participated in the Korean War. The United Nations Service Medal is awarded to any military service member, of an Armed Force allied with South Korea, who participated in the defense of Korea from North Korean aggression between the dates of June 27, 1950 and July 27, 1954. Military forces of the Netherlands are awarded the medal for service to January 1, 1955 The militaries of Thailand and Sweden grant the award to July 27, 1955. The ultimate award authority of the United Nations Service Medal is United Nations Commander-in-Chief of military forces in Korea. Most countries consider the United Nations Service Medal an automatic decoration, if some other Korean service award was bestowed, and generally award the medal without requesting permission through United Nations channels. For instance, in the United States Armed Forces, any service member awarded the Korean Service Medal is automatically granted the United Nations Service Medal. On November 22, 1961, the United Nations officially changed the name of the United Nations Service Medal to the UNITED NATIONS SERVICE MEDAL KOREA. This was as a prelude to the creation of a large number of subsequent United Nations Medals which are granted for various operations around the world. Some countries, the United States among them, continue to refer to the decoration as the United Nations Service Medal in an effort to maintain consistency with older military files referring to the decoration by its original name. Description The UN Korea Medal is a circular medal of bronze alloy. The obverse depicts the 'World-in-a Wreath' emblem of the United Nations. The reverse has the inscription: 'FOR SERVICE IN DEFENCE OF THE PRINCIPLES OF THE CHARTER OF THE UNITED NATIONS'. The wording shown may be in English, French, Spanish, Danish (I didn't see one) , Filipino (or was it English for the Philippines) , Greek, Italian (I didn't see one), Dutch, Swedish, Sanskrit (I think this is mistake instead Aramhic for Ethiopia) or Turkish , The ribbon has alternating stripes of UN blue and white. A clasp with the inscription 'KOREA' is worn on the medal ribbon. Now the pictures:(following this message) first the box: Box is blue and the language of the medal is shown in the front right side. Left front side: UN emblem - in the middle: UN blue and white stripes like the ribbon Thank you all Demir ERMAN

Hello Ed, Thanks. Demir ERMAN

QUOTE (Les @ Oct 30 2008, 02:36 ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Rick...or Glenn This question is really a thread by itself, but the subject "Turkish Super Hero" raises my query. Do either of you have Mustafa Kemal Ataturk's listing of decorations awarded up to the end of the war? If I recall correctly, he fought at a company grade officer during the 1912 Balkan War. Although he didn't lead any attacks personally, he was in exposed positions frequently in his role as a division commander, etc. I'm curious what actual valor or gallantry awards he acquired...the hard way. Les Hello, I didn't like your sardonic way of calling Mustafa Kemal Ataturk who fought the war of Independence against all the western powers (for you: England,France,Italy,Greece, later date USA etc) and won and founded the secular Republic of Turkey. You only mention Balkan war; what about the others in Benghazi, Irak ,Palestine, especially GALLIPOLI, Inonu wars, Independence war. Actually I did not wanted to reply your quest in the beginning and thougt that it wouldn't worth to reply for a person with this attitude. But your knowledge of history is so poor that it may lead to some unwanted opinions. I suggest you read a history book about his achievements as a commander and as a statesman. At least you can goggle or use wikipedia. But this gave me a good opportunity to supply the club members with the pictures and list of his medals and orders. (2 lists and 3 pictures will follow) Demir ERMAN LISTS: MUSTAFA KEMAL ATATURK'S MEDALS DISTINGUISHED COMBAT MEDAL SILVER)- (GUMUŞ İMTİYAZ MADALYASI - (top right in the picture) : Awarded to him by the Sultan Resad V on 30 April 1915 for his outstanding successes as the Commander of the 19th. Division during Canakkale (Gallipoli) battle. DISTINGUISHED COMBAT MEDAL (GOLD)- (ALTIN IMTIYAZ MADALYASI) - (top left in the picture) : Awarded to him by the Sultan Resad V on 23 September1917 for his outstanding successes as the Commander of the 19th. Division during Canakkale (Gallipoli) battle. MERITORIOUS SERVICE MEDAL SILVER)-(GUMUŞ LİYAKAT MADALYASI) (left bottom in the picture) : Awarded to him by the Sultan Resad V on 1 September 1915 for his outstanding Successes during Canakkale (Gallipoli) battle. MERITORIOUS SERVICE MEDAL (GOLD) - (ALTIN LİYAKAT MADALYASI) - (right bottom in the picture) : Awarded to him by the Sultan Resad V on 17 January 1916 for his outstanding Successes during as Anafartalar Group Commander during the Canakkale battle. WAR MEDAL (HARP MADALYASI) : (2nd picture with the Orders) Awarded by Sultan Mehmet VI on 11 May 1918 for his outstanding successes during the Dardanalles Campaign (Canakkale/Gallipoli) MEDAL of INDEPENDENCE (İSTİKLAL MADALYASI), (in the middle of the picture) : Given by the Parliament on 21 November 1923 for his oustanding achievement during the War of Independence and winning the war against British, French, Italians and Greeks and declaring independence a founding the secular Republic of TURKEY. MUSTAFA KEMAL ATATURK'S AWARDS This is a comprehensive list of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk's awards, (1881 - 10 November 1938), who was an army officer, revolutionary statesman, and founder of the Republic of Turkey as well as its first President. (ATATURK'UN NISAN ve MADALYALARI - 1986 Ankara and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk%27s_awards) Orders, decorations and medals 25.12.1906 Mecidi Order 5 th class 6.11.1912 Osmani Order 4th class 1.2.1915 Osmani Order 3rd class 30.4.1915 Silver Imtiyaz Medal 1.9.1915 Silver Liyakat Medal 17.1.1916 Gold Liyakat Medal 1.2.1916 Osmani Order 2nd class 12.12.1916 Mecidi Order 2nd class 23.9.1917 Gold Imtiyaz Madalyası 16.12.1917 Mecidi Order with Crossed Sabers 1st class 11.5.1918 War Medal (Harp Madalyasi) 21.11.1923 War of Independence Medal (Istiklal Madalyasi) FOREIGN AWARDS 11.3.1914 Legion d'honneur France For his successes as lieutenant colonel, while he was working for the Operational Section of the Mediterrenean Joint Forces Staff 23.3.1915 Order of Saint Alexander (3rd Class/Commander) King Ferdinand of Bulgaria Achievements during the Battle of Gallipoli 1915&1917 Iron Cross - German Empire EK II 28.12.1915 EKI 9.9.1917 Achievements during the Battle of Gallipoli 1916&1917 - Austria/Hungary Military Merit Cross 3rd class 27.7.1916 Military Merit Medal 2nd Class with War Decoration 9.9.1917 World War One achievements 16.12.1917 Order of the Crown of Prussia, 1st class William II, German Emperor King of Prussia World War One achievements 27.3.1923 Aliyul-ala Order - Kingdom of Afghanistan Amanullah Shah, King of Afghanistan 21.11.1923 Murassa Order Turkish Aeronautical Association Establishment of TAA Platin 12.11.1931 Silberne Verdienstkreus "in treu" am blau-veissen banden awarded by Schwarzb Kriegerkamaradaschaft

Hello, I have all the UN Korean War medals in different languages except Columbia (Spanish). I would like to see one if you have a picture. Thanks demir erman :jumping:

Hello, Another fake seller in ebay is "dursen51" from Germany. Demir

Hi, You are right TWM is a lower medal. Article 7 of the above mentioned Regulation about the TWM dated 14.4.1333 (1914) indicates that; Article 7: One who hasn't earned a BRONZE War Medal would not be not awarded the kind of gold and/or silver Liyakat (merit) and Imtiyaz (loyalty to the State and bravery) medals which were supposed to be received in a war. (In short one has to receive the War Medal in order to receive imtiyaz and liyakat silver and gold medal) As is seen originally the War Medal was supposed to be BRONZE. But in a later dated Regulation (21.11.1333) changing the original one the word BRONZE was deleted. Best wsihes Demir ERMAN

Hi, You are right. For me the ones with red paint on them are the official/legitimate Ottoman/Turkish War Medals,with a Ottoman Governments Regulation (attached picture from Mr. Er?reten's book) how to receive it, whom to give it, how to wear, where to wear it, etc. dated February 1333 (1914). There is no article in it that indicates where the medals can be produced. Which means that they will be produced at the Ottoman Mint in İstanbul. We know that the painted ones were made in The Ottoman Mint in Istanbul by the order of the Ottoman Government which made them official, but we don't have any knowledge about the other companies, did they also produce the medals by the order of the Ottoman Government? But, if you like to collect BB&Co, German and Austrian made ones also, like me, it is OK, but still they are not official/legitimate Ottoman/Turkish Medals. Best wishes Demir ERMAN

Thank you Demir

Hello again, As far as I know, the red cardboard case/envelope is for the red painted TWMedals. Here is a picture I copied some time ago (can't remember the site ) which also shows the same case with the painted TWM, the picture of the owner and the ribbon. Best wishes Demir ERMAN

Hello, Here is the translation: "TWM (Turkish War Medal) was planned originally to be made of bronze, and shape was oval but hasn?t been produced. Instead a star shaped, red enameled medal made of bafon (50% Cu, 25 % Ni, 25 % Zn) was produced. The TWM, made of several pieces, is actually an Order but, in the TWM Regulation the word ?medal? was used. For this reason it find its place among the medals listing. Several sizes have been seen; 57 mm, 68 mm, 75 mm and 80 mm. Some of the medals which are made of bafon have been produced by the Ottoman Mint (the painted ones) and the others (emaille ones) have been produced abroad (Berlin). There are silver ones also. The medal has been awarded to the soldiers and officers of the Ottoman Empire and her allies which fought in Gallipoli, Galicia, Caucasus, Irak, Egypt and other fronts. It also was given to those who served behind the fronts. Osmanlı Madalyaları ve Nişanları (Ottoman Medals and Orders) by Metin Er?reten 2001 Istanbul " Demir ERMAN

Hello, Do you have a booklet named " Ottoman Military Organization and Uniforms 1876-1908" (Osmanli Askeri Teskilat ve Kiyafetleri 1876-1908) published in 1986 by the Military Museum in Istanbul. Best wishes Demir ERMAN

And reverse:

Hi Chris, 1. Everybody is wondering about BB&Co, including myself, but since there is a big amount of BB&Co TWM, I think it must be a local company in Istanbul. It must have been operating during the Gallipoli war and closed afterwards because of the economic difficulties of the Independence War. 2. For Gallipoli there is only one official medal; TWM (Gallipoli Star) and it is the painted one. I don't think as some of my colleques are claiming that these painted ones have been given to the enlisted men and the emaille ones to the officers. No, everybody received the saame aand only official issue. The medal is shown below. Best wishes Demir ERMAN

And here is the medal and the miniature Demir ERMAN :cheers:

Dear Avsar, Yes there is a star and here is the picture, it must be Austrian made. The box is made by a jeweller recently. It is always nice to get your opinion. Best wishes. Demir ERMAN