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Gents, Here is the badge in two versions and the back. Its diameter is 38 millimetres. Regards, cimbineus

Dear All, I kindly ask you to help me, please. I am looking for evidences that das Eiserne Verdienstkreuz really could be awarded on red ribbon. If you have any photograph or "legitimation"s from units and commands, and you could share with me those documents I would be extremely grateful. Thanks in advance and I hope to see many interesting photos and documents. Regards, cimbineus

... and a closer look...

Hello Gents, Here is the contemporary Hungarian Wound Medal. Regards, cimbineus

Thanks for the picture. Yes, I agree, it is quite possible to take off any Crest from the middle and drill a hole through, since the middle of the banner is not covered by glass, it is just the basic metal, a metal "disc". However, I have never met or heard about this version of '57, but like Gordon says, anything is possible in the field of phaleristics. Regards, cimbineus

Hi Gents, Let me try again, because there must be some misunderstanding here. There is no hole in the original badge's banner. The '49 Crest fixed on the surface of the banner, so, not the '49 Crest was drilled out and replaced with the '57 Crest, but the enamelled banner had a hole in the very middle which is quite impossible to make, unless it is made originally before enamelling, I think. (To my best knowledge there was no '57 version of this badge at all. At least, I have never heard about it.) Regards, cimbineus

Hi Zsolt, Yes, this was my first guess as well. But when I examined the badge more carefully, I changed my mind. The reason is simple: I think it is close to impossible to drill the enamelled part through without damaging the badge itself. And there was a definite whole in the middle of the banner going through the badge with the '57 crest's rivet in it. And, as I mentioned earlier, the badge itself was unrealistically shiny. Regards, cimbineus

Hello all, My guess is that this badge was instituted in the very early 50s, perhaps before 1953, because in '53 and '54 two series of agricultural "KIV?L?" badges were instituted, end this type never appeared after that, it became obsolete I think. Regards, cimbineus

Hello all, This is another interesting and rare badge of this "KIV?L?" category, the "KIV?L? KOMB?JNVEZETŐ" badge. (Excellent combine-harvester). Regards, cimbineus

Hi all, Here is some more information on that badge. The fake was a good quality enamelled badge, a shiny one. The '57 coat of arms was fixed not on the surface of the badge, like it is on the original one, but it was fixed with a through-going rivet, like it is on "KIV?L? SZOLG?LAT?RT ?RDEMREND". The size of the crest was also something similar to the size of that. Otherwise, the back was flat. Regards, cimbineus

Gordon, No, on the contrary! This is the "big" one, the presentation document, the "diploma" which is usually put in a plastic covered booklet with the coat of arms on it. This is not the "permission" paper. Rgards, cimbineus

Hello again, The ?SZOCIALISTA MUNK??RT ?RDEM?REM? type I medal is scarce not only because of its very short period of existence. At that time, if a new type of medal was instituted, usually there was a provision which allowed changing the ?old? type to the ?new? version of the award. And many people did so, especially in this case. They changed this ?ugly flat coin? to the new shiny golden award. Regards, cimbineus

Hello all, You asked about the document, so, here it is. It comes from the collection of one of my friends. This is the official document of the "SZOCIALISTA MUNK??RT ?RDEM?REM" type I. The change to the new type happened only in April 1954. (I modified the name because of privacy reasons.) Regards, cimbineus

Hi Ulsterman, As far as I can remember, the reserve price was about 6.000,- HUF, (around 30,- USD) but I no nothing about the hammer price, I did not follow that auction. cimbineus

Hi all, The other day I saw one Partisan Badge on a Hungarian auction site. There was no information added. Here is the picture: (Source: www.vatera.hu) cimbineus

... and the second badge: cimbineus

Hello Gents, You have shown a lot of different interesting types of "MAGYAR ?LMUNK?S" badge throughout this topic. Let me add some really unique ones. Most probably, these badges were presented to the commission for approval in March-April 1948, but not accepted by the Trade Unions' Council for any reasons. ("?MUK" stands for "?LMUNK?S") Here is the first one: Regards, cimbineus

... and finally, type I, version 2, sub-version B, badge no (3.)

Here is type I, version 2, sub-version A, that is badge no (2.) Regards, cimbineus

Gents, Let me share with you some information on this badge. In fact, this badge was only re-instituted in 1977, because its origins go back to 1953. Originally, it was instituted by the Council of Ministers' resolution number 1002/1953. (II.1.). The type I. was an enamelled five pointed star. This first type had two versions. Version 1 had a continuous inscription "A SZOCIALISTA KULT?R??RT" in the middle of the badge, while version 2 had the same phrase but divided into two parts: "A SZOCIALIST" and "KULT?R??RT". (Stands for "for the socialist culture" ? whatever it means.) This last had two sub-versions which differ by their convexities and backs. - type I, version 1 (1.) - type I, version 2, sub-version A (2.) - type I, version 2, sub-version B (3.) - type II, (4.) So, we have four badges altogether, and Gordon kindly shared with us badge no (4.) Here is type I, version 1, that is badge no (1.) Regards, cimbineus

Hello Gents, You have shown a lot of different interesting "KIV?L? MUNK??RT" badges throughout this topic. Let me add another type, a rather unique one. Here you can see the same basic badge, the five pointed silver star, but with a different enamelled type "ribbon", which came again later with the early "KIV?L? DOLGOZ?" badges. Regards, cimbineus

No, unfortunately I have not seen any presentation document so far, only the booklet, which is the same for type I. and type II. And now, Gents, let me show you a very unique piece of the "SZOCIALISTA MUNK??RT ?RDEM?REM". This was a not realised prototype from those years. The back is not interesting at all. Just a flat surface. Regards, cimbineus

Hello all, I offer here some vocabulary that might be useful for not native speaker collectors of Hungarian "KIV?L?" badges. I think you can see these words on this kind of badges quite often. MUNKA ? work, labourMUNK?S ? in general: worker, but mostly physical worker MUNK?SA ? worker of ?MUNK??RT ? for ? work (agricultural, excellent, etc.)KIV?L? ? excellent, the highest distinction.?RDEMES ? meritorious, a lower distinction.J? ? good, the lowest distinction.?LMUNK?S - front-runner (vanguard) worker, gafferDOLGOZ? ? employee in general (both physical and intellectual)DOLGOZ?JA ? employee of ?V?LLALAT ? company, firmINT?ZM?NY ? institutionTAN?CS ? council (the local organ of communist governance)MINISZT?RIUM ? ministryGY?R ? factoryMEZŐGAZDAS?G ? agricultureIPAR ? industryNEH?Z ? heavyK?NNYŰ ? lightB?NY?SZ ? minerB?NY?SZAT ? mining industryTANUL? ? pupilTANUL?S ? learningTANUL?S?RT -. For learningT?RSADALMI MUNKA? work done in public interests, "voluntary" that is free workAnd in general: ~a, ~ja, ~e, ~je at the end of a word usually means "of" ~?rt at the end of a word usually means "for" ~ban, ~ben at the end of a word usually means "in" ~?s, ~?s at the end of a word usually means "~ing", that is a process. (Example: TANUL ? to learn; TANUL?S ? learning) ~at, ~et at the end of a word usually means "~ing", "~y" or "~try", that is an activity or a field of activity. (Examples: B?NY?SZ ? miner, B?NY?SZAT ? mining; KOH?SZ ? metallurgist, KOH?SZAT ? metallurgy; VEGY?SZ ? chemist, VEGY?SZET - chemistry.) ~?sz, ~?sz at the end of a word usually means "~ist", "~er", "~or", e.t.c., that is a person who deals with something (Examples: B?NYA ? mine, B?NY?SZ ? miner, or M?H ? bee, M?H?SZ ? bee-keeper, KERT ? garden, KERT??SZ ? gardener; ?J?T?S ? innovation, ?J?T? - innovator.) I think it is enough for the first time. Regards, cimbineus

... and here is the back of that badge:

Yes, I have that badge in my collection. It is extremely scarce in this category (RRR) which means, that it is almost impossible to find. Here is the picture: