The Prussian

All Leiber were thirsty...

Kraus writes, that first the Alpenkorps was equipped with the "Gebirgshose". (17.8.11915). The Sturmbataillone recieved their leather-patched-trousers with ordre from 2.1.1917 (Kraus, vol. I, page 560). You wrote, a couple of photos were from 1918. In may 1918, the Gen.Kdo.59 was in the area of Cirey. In Sept./Nov. 1918 the Armee-Abteilung A was: VII.AK, XV.RK, Gen.Kdo.59, austrian IX.AK Units since 15.9.1918 13.ID (until 15.9.1918), 75.RD (7.10.-5.11.1918), 61.Ldw.Brig., 21.LD, 96.ID, 92.Res.Jg.Brig., 25.ID (18.-25.9.1918), 301.ID, 39.RD, hungarian 37.Honved-Div. What about a close-up of the helmet cover in #204, please?

Troops with mountain-uniforms were 26.1.1917: 9.Armee (LII.AK, 217.ID, parts of 89.ID, 218.ID, parts of bav. 12.ID) 11.Armee (Gren.Rgt.11, Garde-Jäger-Btl., Res.Inf.Rgt.21, Jg.Btl.9 and 12, Inf.Rgt.45, Res.Jg.Btl.11-13, 15, 19, Inf.Rgt.146, Schallmeßtrupp 4, Garde-Schützen-Btl. + units since 29.7.1918: Jg.Btl.8, Geb.Bttr.9, 14-16, 18, bav. Geb.Bttr.10, bav. Pi.Kp.106, Pi.Kp.201, Geb.MG-Abt. 210, 211, 214, 216, 217, 219, 220, 230, 231, Geb.MW-Kp. 171, 172, 176, Geb.Funker-Abt. 3-5, 9, 78, 79, Geb.Fernspr.Zug 814-816 14.Armee (all units) Armee-Abt. A (parts of bav. Pi.Kp.23, Funker-Abt. 6b) Armee-Abt. B (Infantry of 6.bav. Ldw.Div., parts of 7.Kav.Div., bav. San.Kp.3, 2./Fußart.Btl.2, MG-Abt. 201, 201 and 208, + units since 19.7.1918: Ul.Rgt.21, Ldw.Inf.Rgt. 38, 40 and 436, several Landsturm units) Armee-Abt. Scholtz (Geb.MG-Abt. 212, 213, 215, 222-225, 232, 233, 247-250, Geb.Pi.Kp.101, Geb.Funker-Abt.1, 6a and 7, Geb.Vers.Haub.Battr. 941, Geb.Fernsprech- and Signalzüge) Source: Kraus, vol. I, page 246

Yes, you won´t see leather-trousers on the western-front usually. Mostly they were worn by mountain troops.

They have leather-knees! Sturmbataillon!

probably solved, mate!

Hi Chris! Yes, you are right, but your focus was on Sturmbataillon, not divisionally Sturmabteilungen... The official Sturmbataillon for Armee-Abt. A was the bavarian Sturmbataillon 15, raised xmas 1916. Another fact is, that the Armee-Abt. A had 2 Lehr-Abteilungen with 60-80 men each. They teached the "Stosstrupps" of the regiments. Each regiment had 60-80 men in their Stosstrupps. Maybe your photo shows one of those?

Maybe soldiers from difefferent units at a funeral

I can´t see leather patches. Can you make a close-up of the helmet-number? Stormbataillonns were not attached to Armeekorps, but to armies. The fact, that we see a number on a helmet cover, could be a proof, it´s not a regular storm-bataillon. In that period of time the 19th Ers.Div. (Armee-Abteilung A) was in that area: Ersatz-Regiments 23, 32, 24, and 40. Ersatz-companies. 12th and 22nd Pi.Btl. 254th Pi.Comp. 88th Res.Pi.Comp. 60th Res.Inf.Rgt. 100th Ldw.Inf.Rgt. (until october) The helmet number could be a 100?

If they are bavarian... I´m not sure about the flag. Does it have blue corners? http://genwiki.genealogy.net/KB_Leib.R

? Great! By the way... I am home... But I wonder, why the card is writte with Stosstrupp and not Surm...

Hello! Do they have leather-patches on the trousers? Can you recognize the helmet-cover of the man walking before the horse?

Hello! Which flag could it be?

Top!!!!!!!!! Great photo!!!!! Thanks for sharing!

Hello! I found another one in Schiffer´s book "The imperial german armies", vol. II. It´s from Marshall Daut´s collection.

Maybe the tinnie could be bought during the introduction of the nail-man?

Ah, ok. But that´s about a "Nagelfigur", not about the tinnie. But I might be wrong...

I only know, they produced medals, tinnies in the 30s. Because of the the polish word Lwow, I assume, it was made in the 20s or 30s.

Oops. Sorry. I don't know the difference...

Never seen... But it will be an austrian one. The manufacturer "Brüder Schneider" ("Schneider bros.") came from Vienna/Austria. The town is written in three languages. German, polish and cyrillic

Hi Chris! Ingo Löhken writes in his book "Die Polizei-Unifoemen in Preussen 1866-1945", that there ain´t no recordings about SiPo uniforms. He only writes, that ranks below a major had numbers upon the collars. One number stands for the Abteilung (detachement) and the other for the Gruppe (group). Telecommunication personal had flashes, mounted troops had crossed lances and flying personal had propellers. The numbers and the symbols were worn until 1920 (not in the occupied areas like Slesia and so on). Here is an example of the lightng.

Hi Chris! As far as I know, it´s Sicherheitspolizei (SiPo). I´ve got a photo with a 1 and a 4

Photo, Chris?

Hello! I found his casualty-entry! http://des.genealogy.net/search/show/8590103

Hello! Thanks for the links! The 2nd one could be interesting for me!