Examples: http://cgi.ebay.com/MONGOLEI-Polarsternord...1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/MONGOLEI-Orden-fuer-Ve...1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/MONGOLEI-Orden-SukheBa...1QQcmdZViewItem My copy of Battishug's book is in the mail and should be getting it any day now. I'm in the process of purchasing a complete set of 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Mongolian Order of Red Combat Banner and obviously fake or not is the crucial issue. With the above examples, they are presented in a Herfurth code which is not in the Herfurth book.