Bob

Umphf... thats a nice picture! :rolleyes:

Mmm a good reason for you to return to Mongolia and for a lot of the rest of us to finally visit it I was told there were 4 mongolians who received a red banner at the same ceremony... who knows...

To clarify a point, the seller indicated he'd not want it back if it was sent for expertise and deemed a fake because - here it comes - he'd not know for sure if he might then be getting a very good fake back. Which (circular logic, I know) implies he doesn't really know if he's selling a fake or not now either. I do not know for sure (of course) if it's a fake, all I'm doing is passing on this one. As mentioned, happy to help anybody else get this one and I'm getting the research (if possible) anyway so hopefully we can read more on this later.

Perhaps, but I'll pass on this one. For fun, i'll request the research from Russian archives anyway. If anybody on the board would like to acquire the item (and I'll throw the research - if any - in for free) just PM me and I'll help to facilitate it (the asking price is NOT low).

Perhaps, but why would a seller want an award back if it was a fake? I guess in these cases it's very, very difficult to have "conclusive" conclusions... even more so without being able to present the award physically to an expert for review. The "story" beind the award is good, and perhaps I should just (try to) get the research anyway.

http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/soviet-...html#post103253 I suggest to move this thread to the fake section for now. Offered to have it reviewed (at my expense) by Alexei first but the seller was not interested in that (response: what if they replace it by a very good fake?). :speechless:

http://www.mongoliancoins.com/site.php A very well designed site on Mongolian coins (of course) from a member of the Mongolian Numismatic Association. Click on Gallery and then look at the pic right above Tsedenbal... interesting, the award is on his jacket with a rosette underneath! The group picture with the first Mongolian ambassadors is also very nice.

GMIC has solved this mystery: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2790...mp;#entry337759

Voila http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Cloud_and_Banner So, 9 grades... that narrows it down:) http://www.omsa.org/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=5911

Excellent - thank you so much Indeed, one little mystery solved Now to google what an Order of the Cloud and Banner actually looks like :jumping:

Thanks - i'm confused though, what does "in US paperword (Order of the Cloud and Banner)." mean?

I'm no expert, but there's a 1930's and a 1940's date, no?

a potentially very interesting scan still missing ( ) is a photograph of a high placed Russian person actually awarding it... seller supposedly has it, but no scan for me yet :rolleyes:

name purposefully edited out

Relatively clueless on Soviet awards but the Mongolia link is very interesting of course. More pics... have got some offline indications but anybody here on forum is welcome to comment.

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