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Looks like Fleischhacker's order which puts it in the 1891-1903 period. Unfortunately I can't help you with the ribbon.

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Greetings Andy and welcome to the forum. Very interesting story, thank you for sharing it with us. Are you looking for information regarding the owner of the badge or the badge itself? Based on the number I'd say it's probably made by Kovnica Sorlini (Mint Sorlini from Varaždin), if so it should have KS hallmark on the back side. As for the surname Jovtić (Serbian spelling) it doesn't sound familiar, I don't think I ever heard of it. I wouldn't say it's impossible but Jevtić (Jevtich) or Jović (Jovich) sound more likely. Regards

Apologies for not replying sooner. You are welcome, I enjoy discussions like this. Perhaps they used a different technique later. I've never seen Order of the People's Army with the silvering gone unlike early Labor Order. Also most of them are still very "shinny" while those Labor Orders have patina...

Thank you for showing us those pogoni!

Of course, but I wasn't talking about the cap and cockade, I wrote: "Braided shoulder boards with Petar II monogram."

Type 1 orders are smaller in size so that's the reason why they are a bit lighter. Type 2 silver one is just 2g heavier than the one made out of tombak. And like I said weights vary even within same type, Georg's Type 1 is 65,6g and Type 2 72,1g. Some Yugoslav orders are definitely made out of silver plated tombak, I have one early Order of Labor 3rd class with most of the silvering gone and you can clearly see that the base is made out of brownish metal. I think lacquer is applied on the last type of that order so that might be the case with the Order of the People's Army as well, I'll check tomorrow if I can see traces of it and let you know. I've read an article by Nenad Bjeloš about these orders and according to the author Type 1 orders were produced until 1961. Tombak was introduced in the '80s and only 2nd and 3rd class were made out of it, so all 1st classes are silver. Based on that I think it is safe to say all Type 1 orders are made out of silver. Stojan Rudež who was the Chief of the Chancellery of Orders wrote in his book that this order was instituted on January 1st 1952. but the final solution for it's design was chosen in April 1953. He also states that 2nd and 3rd class were made out of tombak from 1980 onward. So we have this timeline: Type 1 (silver) 1953-1961 Type 2.1 (silver) 1961-1980 Type 2.2 (tombak) 1980-1992 1953-1980 silver 1980-1992 tombak

I've been reading older posts and this one caught my attention. I'm convinced that that order is made out of silver even though wlodzimierz lists it as a new tombak type from 1981-1985. It's Type 1 and all of Type 1 orders were made out of silver regardless of class. Apart from that all of 1st class orders were made out of silver. Tombak was used for the production of 2nd and 3rd class orders... So to conclude, that's early, Type 1 order, made out of silver without hallmarks on the back.

Don't mention it, Eric! Looks more like Type 2 to me. Considering that those orders are far from rare I'd suggest getting one that is silver without a doubt, although I must say that one looks nice regardless of the material they used. Generally speaking most of them cost around the same, whether they are Type 1 or Type 2, silver or not. It's not a problem to give you weights, but unfortunately that won't get you anywhere. Weights vary even within the same type... For example Georg14 and I have compared weights of orders from our collections and his Type 1 and Type 2 were both around 5 grams heavier than mine. Type 1: 60,5g Type 2.1: 67.8g Type 2.2: 65,8g

I can't give you a definitive answer but that's certainly a possibility. For example I've seen silver 1st class orders (Type 1) without hallmarks. Apart from that there are other silver orders made by the same factory without hallmarks, for example I have one Order of Military Merits like that, same thing with the Order of Merits for the People... If it's Type 1 then it's definitely silver, I believe tombak (or whatever cheaper metal they used) variants of that type don't exist.

It looks just like the box we can see on 287. page of Car/Muhić book (Croatian version) - Bertrand's first class order awarded to Anton Korošec in 1919.

Perhaps one day that would be possible, provided that the archive survived...

A few more from Wiki. People's Hero, Partisan Star 1st Class, Brotherhood & Unity 1st Class and Order of National Liberation, scarce Soviet type!

Flag and decorations of the First Proletarian Brigade, Belgrade Military Museum Source: Wikipedia Author: Flammard

I know it's been almost 5 years since you asked the question but better late than never. According to the regulations from 1939 the following infantry regiments wore monograms: -1st Infantry Regiment "Miloš the Great" -2nd Infantry Regiment "Prince Mihailo" -5th Infantry Regiment "King Milan" -6th Infantry Regiment "King Aleksandar" -7th Infantry Regiment "King Petar I" -8th Infantry Regiment "Prince Aleksandar" -11th Infantry Regiment "Karađorđe" -14th Infantry Regiment "King Petar II" -16th Infantry Regiment "Emperor Nicholas II" -25th Infantry Regiment "King Ferdinand of Romania" -38th Infantry Regiment "Njegoš" -54th Infantry Regiment "King Carol II of Romania"

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Vojvoda Bojović's overcoat with braided shoulder boards

Unfortunately I don't think so. I've never tried to do something like that through the "official channels" but then again I've never heard that anyone succeeded. Also there were rumors that the archive of the Chancellery of Orders was destroyed.

Few more photos found on Wikipedia (author Boksi). Cavalry Regiment IV from 1904 Flags from 1911

Perfect! Thank you very much!

This revolver belongs to a friend of mine, it was a gift from a Yugoslav partisan who received it during the war from the British. It's in very nice shape and the holster is original. The owner was wondering is it possible to find an original barrel? Also what's the current market value of this revolver?

Thank you as well for that catalog! Perhaps some of those Saint Sava orders we discussed earlier on the forum were made by the same producer...

Here's one with swords, central medallions are switched just as in illustration. The only difference are the swords, on illustration they are on the back and here on the front side. I'm convinced these two were made by the same producer - Delande!

We can see Karađorđe Star with Swords in the catalog, it's enameled (!) soldiers' order (clearly visible inscription ЗА ХРАБРОСТ - For Bravery). That reminded me of couple of decorations we discussed earler. Photos of this examples were found on emedals, "unmarked, of unusual manufacture (probably French)." Back side is being represented as front in the catalog and it looks like they switched the central medallions... Order from emedals is "for bravery" but doesn't have swords, looks like there was a huge mix up in the workshop that made these...

Perhaps Delande made White Eagle without swords as well...