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Lieutenant Colonel Bogoljub Molerović's decorations. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-53224300-1361574611.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-06472700-1361569493.jpg Corporal Budimir Davidović's decorations. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-30320700-1361569579.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-95328800-1361569585.jpg Major Nikola Kosić's decorations. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-33281700-1361569787.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-52793700-1361569797.jpg Displayed items. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-64675300-1361569887.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-94172700-1361569902.jpg

You are all most welcome. I have discovered those great pictures of rare decorations not that long ago on our National Museum website by accident and they are the main reason why I started this topic. I am very pleased that you all like it. -National Museum Čačak -official website http://www.cacakmuzej.org.rs/kontakt_eng.html Colonel Dragutin Gavrilović's decorations. He is most famous for his great speech made during the defense of Belgrade in 1915. The translation of the speech can be read on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragutin_Gavrilovi%C4%87 http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-27917700-1361560433.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-35313000-1361560455.jpg http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-12616300-1361560542.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-90985200-1361560554.jpg Lieutenant Mladen Žujović's decorations. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-61507000-1361560760.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-96890600-1361568727.jpg Prince Đorđe Karađorđević's decorations. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-10509500-1361560841.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-70325500-1361560922.jpg Brigade General Spasoje Tešić's decorations. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-03520600-1361568390.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-22767400-1361568572.jpg Captain Đorđe Roš's decorations. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-11387900-1361568656.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-09181300-1361568665.jpg Brigade General Mihailo Milićević's decorations. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-72319900-1361569100.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-66179900-1361569109.jpg Major Mihailo Gavrović's decoration. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-13426300-1361569180.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-44783700-1361569194.jpg

-Belgrade City Museum -official website http://www.mgb.org.rs/en/ -wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgrade_City_Museum Cross for Devotion 1858 According to museum's website they possess the only known specimen! This is the first Serbian commemorative medal. Cross was given to clergy and medal to other participants of the St. Andrew's Day Assembly. According to one source 378 medals and 58 crosses were issued. The medal below was sold couple of years ago by Barac & Pervan for 1600 euros! http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-95624500-1361482028.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-08190400-1361482039.jpg

-National Museum Niš -official website http://narodnimuzejnis.rs/ Orders of Saint Sava and Order of the Cross of Takovo Infantry Lieutenant Colonel's Epaulettes

Browning M1910/1922 VTZ M1933 Tokarev TT33 Makarov Pistol [Gift from Marshal Zhukov] Mauser C96 Luger Parabellum P08 Browning-Herstal HP35 Walther PPK MP44 & Walther P38 M51 [belonged to Dušan Petrović Šane] Adrian helmet

Serbian cavalry officer's saber M1861 [belonged to Ljubomir Lešjanin, son of General Milojko Lešjanin (4th picture)] http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-94600500-1361474130.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-20337100-1361474145.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-54995800-1361474368.jpg Serbian cavalry officer's saber M1895 http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-48888500-1361474486.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-78503600-1361474477.jpg Diamond saber [belonged to Prince Arsen Karađorđević] http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-73449200-1361474808.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-46683500-1361474829.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-27862600-1361474847.jpg St. Anna officer's shashka M1881 Dagger that belonged to Louis William, Margrave of Baden-Baden Officer's saber M1955 (Converted M1920)

I agree Paul, in the lower right corner a year 1903 is inscribed, if the picture was really taken that year it is possibly one of their last. Here are the "originals" of the other one. Kind regards, Radmilo http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-69224400-1361472180.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-19023800-1361472068.jpg

Order of the Yugoslav Grand Star Order of the War Banner Order of the People's Hero Grand Decoration Obilić Medal

-Military Museum -official website http://www.muzej.mod.gov.rs/en/#.USYuBaVQHgs -wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Museum_(Belgrade) Order of Prince Danilo I 1st grade [belonged to Ilija Garašanin] http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-00463500-1361456581.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-93040500-1361456643.jpg http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-08755000-1361456667.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-74193300-1361456676.jpg Order of Saint Sava 1st Grade - Arthus Bertrand [belonged to Vojvoda Stepa Stepanović] http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-69325800-1361456908.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-72217200-1361457856.jpg Order of the White Eagle 3rd grade [belonged to General Mihailo Srećović] Order of the White Eagle [belonged to General Jovan Belimarković] http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-61994100-1361460204.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-78716700-1361458361.jpg House and Merit Order of Peter Frederick Louis [belonged to KIng Aleksandar Obrenović] Legion of Honor 1st grade [belonged to King Aleksandar Karađorđević]

You are most welcome Paul, there is more to come. Your remark about the Schraff medal put a smile on my face. Couple of pictures of the King and Queen for comparison. Kind regards, Radmilo http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-04777800-1361455510.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-91725800-1361455523.jpg

Order of Miloš the Great 3rd grade - K. Fleischacker Order of the Cross of Takovo 2nd grade (necklace) - Anton Furst [belonged to General Jovan Mišković] http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-34914800-1361410580.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-68621500-1361410594.jpg Medal for Bravery Miloš Obilić 1851 Saint Andrew's Day Assembly 1858 - F. Muller 50th Anniversary of the 2nd Serbian Uprising 1865 - W. Pittner Royal Wedding 1900 - A. Schraff Royal Wedding 1922 - Rudolf Valdec Vojvoda Živojin Mišić 1924 - Đorđe Jovanović Conquest of Belgrade 1688 - Martin Bruner The Battle of Senta 1697 - Georg Hautsch Treaty of Požarevac 1718 - Martin Bruner

Greetings Gentlemen, I am starting this topic with two goals, first to gather in one place and share with others pictures of various military related items, and other to promote our museums. Pictures are from official web sites, I hope that you will find them interesting as much as I did. -National Museum of Serbia -official website http://www.narodnimuzej.rs/ -wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Museum_of_Serbia Order of the Star of Karageorge 1st grade - G.A. Scheid [belonged to Jovan Avakumović http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovan_Avakumovi%C4%87] http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-54567500-1361406890.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-16199500-1361407574.jpg Order of Saint Sava 1st grade - G.A. Scheid [belonged to Milenko Vesnić http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milenko_Radomar_Vesni%C4%87] http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-51905900-1361408093.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-77376200-1361407895.jpg Order of the White Eagle 1st grade - C.F. Rothe [belonged to Milenko Vesnić] http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-90627900-1361407838.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-21316500-1361408302.jpg Order of the Saints Maurice and Lazarus 1st grade - Cravanzola Successore Fratelli Borani [belonged to Milenko Vesnić] Military order of Christ 1st grade - Frederico B. Da Costa [belonged to Milenko Vesnić] Legion of Honor (1870-1951 type) 1st grade - Arthus Bertrand [belonged to Milenko Vesnić]

That sounds possible, but why wouldn't they give him the order itself, and thus avoid complications. There had to be a decent amount of them at the Chancellery for decorations (or wherever they kept them). My theory is that when Karađorđević's came to power they ordered some amount of St. Sava's from Bertrand. Workshop then received "blueprints" from Obrenović period by mistake. Or maybe there was an interim period, Karađorđević's kept the decoration and ordered it from Bertrand but didn't make any changes of it's appearance at the beginning. King Peter was known as rational and modest ruler and it is quite possible that he didn't return the decorations with the monogram of a member of the rival dynasty to the workshop that made them. But anyway this is a big surprise for me! I never came across this information before, that Bertrand also produced I type of Saint Sava! Kind regards, Radmilo

Nicely put, couldn't agree more! Legal in some countries or not I strongly believe that behavior like that is disrespectful and wrong. Kind regards, Radmilo

There's one more 1st type that has been bothering me ever since I saw it. I really don't remember where I got these pictures from (ebay?), and I hope that no one will mind for putting them here. I think that we might have one more Bertrand (?) there. Compare it with the 4th Bertrand from the table above. Kind regards, Radmilo http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-36479500-1361205330.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-86801100-1361205345.jpg

I was thinking the same thing, but I've never heard of the 1st type being made in some French workshop... I know this sounds strange, but maybe Bertrand made orders with monogram at the beginning(?). I hope I didn't bore everyone with these pictures from "Orders and decorations..." but they are the best guide for issues like this. Look at the second Bertrand on the second picture, there are some similarities, especially the cap of the saint. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-01585500-1361204505.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7937-0-98721600-1361204611.jpg

Paul, Thanks for the picture, actually I saw this one before on OMSA. Yes, I believe that you are correct, it looks like officer to me even though it is labeled as knight. What do you think about producer? I can't identify it... Kind regards, Radmilo

Igor you are most welcome. I just now saw your new post. I'm a slow writer so I'm always caught between two replies. If you manage to find some photos of the person who received the order and maybe find out from which year are them or even better when was he awarded we would be able to narrow your search. As for the miniature, my personal opinion in general is that enamel repairs are not very desirable, I think that it is better to leave them as they are. There are shops that do this type of reparations, but this is not very cheap. Also I think that in the case of the miniature it is impossible to do a good job because the saint is damaged. I have just measured mine 5th grade one and with the crown it is 66mm (without around 47mm) long and around 42mm wide, you can compare that with the dimensions of the miniature from the emedals. But if you are just starting your collection maybe it's better to go for the "normal" orders first. Kind regards, Radmilo

Paul, I was in a middle of writing my reply when you posted yours, sorry for duplicating info. As for the American Numismatic Society I've tried to find that order on their site but had no luck. As far as I know first 4 grades of the I type were all made of silver and gilded, and the 5th grade was silver only without gild. When you look at the 4th and the 5th grade orders of any producer that seems to be the only difference between them, 4th class is "golden" and the 5th is "silver". Kind regards, Radmilo

Greetings Igor, Order of the Saint Sava was introduced in 1883 by King Milan Obrenović. At first it was awarded to civilians only and from 1914 to military personnel as well. The order was made by many producers but there are three main types of it. I type 1883-1903 Obverse: Saint in red robes; Reverse: MOI (King Milan monogram); Producers: Rothe & Neffe, Karl Fleischhacker, Anton Furst, Jacob Leser, Georg Adam Scheid II type 1904-1921 Obverse: Saint in red robes; Reverse: 1883 (Year when it was instituted); Producers: Georg Adam Scheid, Arthus Bertrand III type 1921-1941 Obverse: Saint in green robes Reverse: 1883 Producers: Huguenin Freres, Fran Sorlini, Griesbach & Knaus, C.F. Zimmermann I type of the order is the rarest and the most appreciated among collectors and therefore harder to get and the most expensive. III type is the most common (Huguenin one is pretty easy to find and not that expensive, but Sorlini is a bit rarer and the Zimmermann is the rarest). The price also depends whether the order is accompanied by it's original box. I think that the I type orders are from gilded silver, except for the 5th class which is not gilded. If I can help you with something else, please do not hesitate to ask. Kind regards, Radmilo

Alex I wasn't thinking about what might have happened with the decorations, but I'm afraid your scenario is probably not far from the truth. Serbian White Eagle with Swords 3rd grade, apart from probably being one of the most beautiful orders in general, was not awarded that many times and was very appreciated among officers. It's really a shame if it ended up in trash, I just hope some of his heirs had that much sense to at least keep the order and not to throw it away.

Maybe he was a collector who had a rather strange way of presenting pieces from his collection to the public, by wearing them Regards, Radmilo

Greetings Gentlemen, I finally discovered what's that on Mr. Jackson's left breast pocket, The Royal Corps of Transport emblem!

Nice set, it looks great! Thanks for additional pictures. Here's the 2nd, later IKOM type.