BURGERHAUS Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 [attachmentid=57051]Gents I am hoping another member might have one of these neckerchief knots. My son has promised to take good care of this so I have been letting him wear it to his scout meetings. He gets lots of compliments but only I know about it. Call it DJ circa 2006. It is marked RZM on the reverse without a number however. This is why I ask for help if you have one and would be willing to post an image. I can post the reverse if you want. Just ask. Thank You Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattGibbs Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 I have one but no pic, it is a 3 strand one in a more tan coloured material, but it is HJ and came from an old Dutch collector. It is not a scout one [before someone wonders ] and I too occasionally wear mine to meetings, as I am a group scout leader.regardsMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURGERHAUS Posted October 17, 2006 Author Share Posted October 17, 2006 Matt Does your example have an RZM mark on it and a rivet? These are so far and few between that I haven't really had any others to see for comaprison. Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattGibbs Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 No it doesn't, it was used and so I doubt the mark would have lasted. I have seen one with a paper RZM label tied around it which would of course have just been thrown away.ttfnMatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacky Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 Yes, I have two of them, I happened to know how they were made....But it was quite simple to make. Could be done by both one wire or bij stripping a piece of leather into 9 or more strips and than folding it in a certain manner.....will think about it.Kind regards,Jacky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacky Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 I have found a picture,You could make it yourself, perhaps nice for the other scouts to make on a cold winterday??Kind regards,Jacky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURGERHAUS Posted October 22, 2006 Author Share Posted October 22, 2006 (edited) Jacky Thank you for the instructions. It will be a great project for them. Good Sunday to you. Robert PS Matt and thank you for your imput. Since I don't see these very often I tend to not be exactly sure what I have. Edited October 22, 2006 by BURGERHAUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 I have just read this thread and whilst I don't possess one of these items I remember we called them "Woggles" in the scouts.Stan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 I believe the item to be a Gilwell woggle. This is in fact used to tie the scout's scarf around his neck. I found this explanation on the net: "In the early days of Scouting, the scarf was fastened at the throat by a knot but, in 1920 or 1921, the scarf slide came into use. It is said the name "woggle" was invented for it by Mr. Gidney, the first Camp Chief of Gilwell. In those days, the lighting of fires by friction was very much of a novelty and, for many years, was demonstrated on Wood Badge courses. The main piece of equipment for this activity was a leather thong. When not being used for fire-making, the thong was long enough to make a two strand Turk's Head Woggle, which is what we wear today. " The wood badge course as I remember it is taken by advanced scouts and upon succesful completion I believe they are awarded a leather Gilwell woggle and a special scarf with some leather/wooden attachment/ neck tie. I never made it beyond the first of three courses for the woodbadge......I dropped out before.Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattGibbs Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 nearly ALL worldwide scouting organisations wore a woggle to hold the scarf round the neck. This is not a gilwell woggle, I have one as a fully trained leader. The HJ did wear themttfnmatt gibbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 nearly ALL worldwide scouting organisations wore a woggle to hold the scarf round the neck. This is not a gilwell woggle, I have one as a fully trained leader. The HJ did wear themttfnmatt gibbsGents,If you check post #2 on the following thread I think you might have your HJ woggle.http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=11764&hl=1000I found it earlier today as I was browsing the forum. However I cannot say I know enough about the item to say it is HJ or Scouts.Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattGibbs Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Pic 6 in that thread is exactly like the one I have, which goes with a tunic I have that is very similar also to the photo'd onettfnMatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURGERHAUS Posted April 7, 2007 Author Share Posted April 7, 2007 [attachmentid=57051]Gents I am hoping another member might have one of these neckerchief knots. My son has promised to take good care of this so I have been letting him wear it to his scout meetings. He gets lots of compliments but only I know about it. Call it DJ circa 2006. It is marked RZM on the reverse without a number however. This is why I ask for help if you have one and would be willing to post an image. I can post the reverse if you want. Just ask. Thank You Robert I finally got around to scanning the RZM stamp on the other side of this. No manufacturer number however. Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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