frank1 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 got info today on a purchase off a #0 and diamond<9>does anybody have info on these two makers?i know the 0 is unknown for surethe #9 is LIEFERGEMEINSCHAFT/SCHMUCKHANDWERKERbut what about the diamond part off iti just bought these 2 plus a #1 DESCHLER UND SOHN for $599let me know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Garvy Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 Frank, I'm confused. Are we talking about 1st or 2nd Class Iron Crosses? I've not seen nor heard of either of those manufacturers (#0 & diamond <9>) you mention. Do you, per chance, have any photographs of those two, obverse & reverse? Deschlers I have heard of, and they happen to be one of my favorite manufacturers, so please post a picture! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank1 Posted November 11, 2006 Author Share Posted November 11, 2006 dear billi have no pictures off these medals yetim waiting to get themheres a little info i got on theseword about the diamond <9>. I am being told that the diamond 9 is a highly prized piece and extraordinary rare and wanted by the sophisticated EK2 maker mark collecto. As with the Ubergrosse the reason for it's large size has never benn determined. The standard LdO size of the 1939 Iron Cross second class was from 43.5mm (Schinkel frame) up to 45mm as is the maker # 24.i hope this helps a biti will post pictures off these asapfrank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 I am being told that the diamond 9 is a highly prized piece and extraordinary rare and wanted by the sophisticated EK2 maker mark collector.As with the Ubergrosse the reason for it's large size has never benn determined. The standard LdO size of the 1939 Iron Cross second class was from 43.5mm (Schinkel frame) up to 45mm as is the maker # 24.frank.Hallo Frank Sounds like a good sales pitch to me hopefully you havent bought two duff items, with a genuine one. Kevin in Deva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank1 Posted November 11, 2006 Author Share Posted November 11, 2006 no i dont think soive been dealing with this dealer for a few yearsalways 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunyadi Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 I have never heard of a diamond 9. Perhaps it is the acron marked type? What class are these 1st or 2nd class? Either way - please post photos once you get them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank1 Posted November 12, 2006 Author Share Posted November 12, 2006 they are both ek2will post theses asap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunyadi Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 got info today on a purchase off a #0 and diamond<9>i just bought these 2 plus a #1 DESCHLER UND SOHN for $599let me knowSo you bought three EK2's for $599? The only EK2's that can demand such prices as I have seen are the 'round 3' or the Shinkle (ones made from WW1 frames)In the future, if you can always get photos and post them before you buy. We are all willing to help in any way we can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICK SCHMID Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Never heard of these. Would be very intrested to see pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 (edited) no i dont think soive been dealing with this dealer for a few yearsalways 100%Hallo Frank1, with regards dealers / collectors, wether proffesional or not, here is a condensed version of events told to me by a friend who lives in Kempten Allg?u, where I lived for a few years, that happened this year with regard medal collecting and dealers.Instance 1: The beginning of the year (2006) a medal collector in Kempten had a visit from a old lady, who happens to be friend of one of his relations. She brought with her a small wooden jewellery box in it was a WW2 Iron Cross First Class in mint condition and more importantly a very slightly worn Knight Cross plus the paper work, not the big certificates, but the slips accrediting the medal to such & such person, which is as good as, and she was asking 70 euro for the lot.Needless to say she got her 70 euros. Everything was kosher. The book price for the Knights cross is 6500 euro another collector has already offered him 10000 euro for the two medals and paper work. He's holding on to them for the moment and regards it as picking six right in the lotto.Instance 2:The other side of the medal collecting coin, in the beginning of September "Michels" the shop just off the Fischer Strasse, Kempten, which deals in stamps, coins, bank notes and occasionally medals. Had a Knights Cross for sale with a provenance certificate from Niemann's stating its genuineness and market value.A local collector bought it for 2500 euro, and showed it to a few Kemptener collectors one of whom was Boris, they were not happy with it. So he sent everything back to Niemanns for another assessment.And its a fake, the entries on the provenance are false only the provenance certificate is genuine. Michels took it back, paid him out his 2500 euro and as stopped selling anything militaria ever again. This too has enter the local medal collectors folklore. A rum world, what??A.H. Kempten October 16th 2006. I must add that personally, for a dealer-collector to take the Knights Cross knowing what the current market price is and fob the old dear off with just 70 euro is disgraceful, we all search for a bargin, but that goes beyond decencey In some cases it's the buyer who is not fully aware of all the details as to the item he is purchasing, and some times the seller is not a 100% expert on all the items he is selling, they both can and do make mistakes, I have and probably will again.If your items turn out to be duff, hopefully the dealer will give you a refund. Kevin in Deva Edited November 15, 2006 by Kev in Deva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Garvy Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 Don't forget the "ubergro?e" in that 2nd Class price range. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 i would spend $599 foran original ubergrossewithout blinking an eyelid.....joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICK SCHMID Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 i would spend $599 foran original ubergrossewithout blinking an eyelid.....joeHi Joe there have been a least 2 sold on Detlev Niemans site in the past year in the 600 euro range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank1 Posted November 16, 2006 Author Share Posted November 16, 2006 HEY GOOD LUCK GETTING AN UB FOR THAT PRICE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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