Scott Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I never thought I'd be able to contribute an item of my collection to this thread, but sometimes you just get lucky. Anyone have a period photo of a LC vet wearing this combination of ribbons on his uniform? Also, can someone tell me how to get a copy of the list of German recipients of the Medalla Militar Individual (MMI)? In the Osprey publication "The Condor Legion", author Carlos Jurado says 64 MMIs were awarded to LC personnel as follows: - 31 to K/88- 14 to J/88- 10 to A/88- 1 to AS/88- 1 to F/88 (to longest serving commander, Hermann Lichtemberger) - 1 to S/88 (to last Chief of Staff, Hans Seidemann)- 2 to Army contingent instructors- 1 to each LC Commander (Sperrle, Volkmann, Richtofen)Jurado also claims only 15 winners of the SCiG w/diamonds were awarded the MMI. He made a couple errors in other places in the book, so I'm not sure how accurate the above information is...
Jacques Posted January 23, 2009 Author Posted January 23, 2009 Hi Scott, it is a very nice combination. If you can take close up of the MM it should be great.I know the list you are talking about, and indeed it is not complete. I guess around 100 german soldiers were awarded this coveted medal. you absolutly don't know who was the owner ?jacquesI never thought I'd be able to contribute an item of my collection to this thread, but sometimes you just get lucky. Anyone have a period photo of a LC vet wearing this combination of ribbons on his uniform? Also, can someone tell me how to get a copy of the list of German recipients of the Medalla Militar Individual (MMI)? In the Osprey publication "The Condor Legion", author Carlos Jurado says 64 MMIs were awarded to LC personnel as follows: - 31 to K/88- 14 to J/88- 10 to A/88- 1 to AS/88- 1 to F/88 (to longest serving commander, Hermann Lichtemberger) - 1 to S/88 (to last Chief of Staff, Hans Seidemann)- 2 to Army contingent instructors- 1 to each LC Commander (Sperrle, Volkmann, Richtofen)Jurado also claims only 15 winners of the SCiG w/diamonds were awarded the MMI. He made a couple errors in other places in the book, so I'm not sure how accurate the above information is...
Scott Posted January 24, 2009 Posted January 24, 2009 (edited) Unfortunately, the person I received the items from could only tell me he got them from an old collection many years ago. He said the items could all be related to the same person, but he could not guarantee it. The set came with a brass LC souvenir plate from 2.K/88, so there's a chance the original owner was in that unit. I'd love to find out for certain.The MMI is marked 'Ega?a' on the lower left of the front and back. When I received the medal bar, the MMI had some old, crusty polishing compound in the recesses (that I carefully removed), so some of the finer details may have fallen victim to repeated polishings. Edited January 24, 2009 by Scott
Jacques Posted January 24, 2009 Author Posted January 24, 2009 Very nice display The medals bar is really nice .jacques
vonStubben Posted February 4, 2009 Posted February 4, 2009 Gentlemen,I have been sent here by Scott from the WAF and who is also a member here, in order to share a Spanish Medalla Militar that I own and would like more information on. Given the crown Scott believes it to be pre 1936-39. It has no makers marks and the suspension ring and medal are all one piece construction. Can anyone give me a proper time frame for it's manufacture and perhaps a value.For those who can access the WAF, here is a link: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/sho...d=1#post3072116Thank you.Regards,Chuck Stubben
vonStubben Posted February 4, 2009 Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) Reverse Edited February 4, 2009 by vonStubben
Naxos Posted February 11, 2009 Posted February 11, 2009 The medal is from the civil war era 1936 - 39 It's called: medalla individual al merito en campa?ayou can see one here: http://picasaweb.google.com/ageletraluy/CR...105725189660722Regards, Hardy
Naxos Posted February 11, 2009 Posted February 11, 2009 Here as well: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medalla_Militar
Scott Posted February 12, 2009 Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) Hardy, the web links you posted show two distinctly different strikes of the Spanish MMI. The one posted by Chuck Stuben, and shown in your first web link has the woman on the front wearing the distinctive 1933-36 crown, and holding a sword. The other MMIs posted in this thread, and shown on your second link, show the woman uncrowned with a shield instead of a sword. My gut feeling is Chuck's medal preceeded those awarded by the Franco government following the end of the Spanish Civil War - but I could be wrong.Jacques, Panzerpioneer, your thoughts? Edited February 12, 2009 by Scott
Jacques Posted February 12, 2009 Author Posted February 12, 2009 I would say 1933-1936 era due to the crown design, but in another way the reverse shows the typical anthem of Franco eagle, shild and phalange.hope our Spanish friends will help us there.jacques
vonStubben Posted February 12, 2009 Posted February 12, 2009 the reverse shows the typical anthem of Franco eagle, shild and phalange.hope our Spanish friends will help us there.jacquesThis is what has been throwing me as well.Chuck
Scott Posted February 21, 2010 Posted February 21, 2010 (edited) I found this MMI at the SOS. This design is similar to the one previously posted by VonStuben, without the shield on the front, but with the yellow/gold border stripes on the ribbon. The jump ring is soldered closed, and the medal looks like it's always been with the ribbon which shows mild age (the photo makes the ribbon look much fresher than it actually is). I scanned the medal under magnification and could find no sign of a maker mark. The vendor I bought it from said the maker is "Saz" of Spain (?). This strike is thinner in profile than my Egana strke, but the detail is far more sharp and crisp. Opinions? Edited February 21, 2010 by Scott
Scott Posted February 21, 2010 Posted February 21, 2010 (edited) Close-up. Interesting to note this one (like VonStuben's) has the lion at the foot of a crowned woman, while most other designs have a crownless woman with her arm on a shield with a lion motif. There are other minor design differences as well. Could one be an earlier/later design than the other? Edited February 21, 2010 by Scott
Scott Posted February 21, 2010 Posted February 21, 2010 (edited) The "Saz" design (top) compared to an Egana from my Legion Condor medal bar (bottom) -- sizes are not to scale with each other. Note the Saz design has the woman offering what appears to be an olive branch (peace), while the Egana design has the woman offering a crown of laurels (victory). Would this indicate the Saz piece is a later, more "politically correct" design? Any help solving this mystery would be much appreciated? :speechless: Edited February 21, 2010 by Scott
Jacques Posted February 21, 2010 Author Posted February 21, 2010 Hi Scott, very nice medal. I don't knw the differences between the spanish makers, but our spanish friends will certainly enlighten us quickly. It looks period to me. jacques
Jacques Posted February 21, 2010 Author Posted February 21, 2010 German manufacturers made this medal (at least S&L, Schickle,Deumer). Dos anyone has such medal in his collection ?
Scott Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 (edited) Antonio Prieto Barrio sent an email response to my MMI questions, mentioning that the version I posted above is one of many different variants of the medal, and Antonio included a .pdf copy of "Medalla Militar Legislacion Y Normativa" which looks to be a fairly comprehensive reference on the medal (it's written in Spanish, so I'll need to brush up on my comprehension skills). Muchas gracias Antonio! Edited February 23, 2010 by Scott
Jacques Posted February 23, 2010 Author Posted February 23, 2010 Hi Scott, SAZ is indeed a spanish manufacturer from this period. I don't know how it has been marked or not , and how to recognize them; I never see one in flesh. As I said, German manufacturers also made this medal, and I would like to see these variants too. Best regards jacques
Antonio Prieto Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 Hello to all I believe that at least have these variants, now in stydy for the correct identification Any notice are very welcome, specially a good image scanneds of the two faces Type Obverse Verso Alfonsino I Alegoría type I Motto:AL MÉRITO EN CAMPAÑA CoA of Spain type M1 Campaig: MARRUECOS Alfonsino II Alegoría type I Motto:AL MÉRITO EN CAMPAÑA CoA of Spain Without campaig República I Alegoría type I Motto:AL MÉRITO EN CAMPAÑA CoA of Spain type R1, the previous modified Campaing: MARRUECOS República II Alegoría type I Without Motto CoA of Spain type R2 Without Motto Medina Alegoría type I CoA of Spain Egaña I Alegoría type I Marked EGAÑA Motto: AL MÉRITO EN CAMPAÑA CoA of Spain type EE1 Marked EGAÑA Egaña II Alegoría type I Motto: AL MÉRITO EN CAMPAÑA CoA of Spain INDUSTRIAS EGAÑA EE I Alegoría type I Without mark Motto: AL MÉRITO EN CAMPAÑA CoA of Spain Motto: AL MÉRITO EN CAMPAÑA EE II Alegoría type I Without mark Motto: AL MÉRITO EN CAMPAÑA CoA of Spain Motto: AL MÉRITO EN CAMPAÑA EE III Alegoría type I Without mark Motto: AL MÉRITO EN CAMPAÑA CoA of Spain Without mark Jordana Alegoría CoA of Spain J. Saz I Alegoría type III CoA of Spain J. Saz II Alegoría type II Motto: AL MÉRITO EN CAMPAÑA CoA of Spain Without campaig OS Not known details Otto Schickle (Pforzheim) CoA of Spain S&L Not known details Steinhauer & Lück (Lüdenscheid) CoA of Spain <BR clear=all>
Scott Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 (edited) I may be wrong, but I assume "Alegoría type I" has the un-crowned matron with shield on the obverse, since that seems to be the most common design. The J.Saz I found at the SOS (crowned matron without shield) must be either Alegoría type II or III, which seems to align with Antonio's info above. In the Medalla Militar document Antonio sent me, the description of the medal's obverse mentions the matron (woman) and laurels, but no shield -- perhaps some artistic license was granted by the medal commissioning authority. Jacques, I recognize the S&L catalog photo you show. What company catalogs are the other two photos from? Can you provide a larger photo of the S&L medal that might show more detail? Edited February 23, 2010 by Scott
Antonio Prieto Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 (edited) So far, except the types of industries EGAÑA does not seem facil to assign models to manufacturers. Besides many of Military Medals have been done for jewel cases and craftsmen that knowing the model have contributed his fantasy: precious stones, variations in the elements, different sizes, etc Please, do not forget that these models are in study and descriptions and allocations can suffer modifications Also that any information, included quality images of obverses and reverses are necessary. You can send to me to my email Edited February 23, 2010 by Antonio Prieto
Antonio Prieto Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 Allegory type I. Matron representing to Spain, offering a laurel wreath. It leans on a shield with a head of lion Coat of Arms type M1: Simplified dynastic shield with the five traditional quarts: Castile, Leon, Aragon, Navarre and, Granada. Central shield with lises. Royal crown Coat of Arms type R1: Equal to M1 with mural crown Coat of Arms type R2: The created in 1869 for the I Republic, with the five traditional quarts: Castile, Leon, Aragon, Navarre and, Granada. Mural crown and Hercules's columns are placed with the motto “PLUS ULTRA”, without crowns Allegoty tipe II. Crowned Matron, offering an olive crown with his right hand. The sinister hand leans on a sword. Low the right handed arm, a head of lion. At the back a nascent sun Also I known for this type the Matron wearing left and also right
Antonio Prieto Posted February 23, 2010 Posted February 23, 2010 (edited) For the Cejalvo types please see: http://www.cejalvo.e...7961b/index.php For some models all of particular collectors see: http://www.coleccionesmilitares.com/medallas/texto/mmi.htm Edited February 23, 2010 by Antonio Prieto
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