Yankee Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 I thought to collect a few myself, however after reading the posts it is a bit discouraging. It seems to collect the flying badges of Prussia & Bavaria is like walking into a minefield Perhaps I'd be better off in the Austro-Hungarian, Bulgarian arena. Or is that too plagued with fakes.? Thanks for making me aware of the pitfalls on this topic. Yankee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftmensch Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Well, you'd be moving into nations with smaller air forces and therefore fewer originals. If Prussian badges are a minefield, then A-H and Bulgaria are one of those floors that slide away until you fall into the piranha tank! RgdsJohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Well, you'd be moving into nations with smaller air forces and therefore fewer originals. If Prussian badges are a minefield, then A-H and Bulgaria are one of those floors that slide away until you fall into the piranha tank! RgdsJohnHi JohnDon't want to do that. No fun to have a badge if not knowing it is a good one or not. Really need to think hard Those flying badges are a marvel, certainly are tempting to jump into. I can see why they are highly prizedMany thanksYankee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftmensch Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 No, but its fun to be patient and consult forums like these, kick the tires at shows, and be ready to pay for attributable groups or hand-me-downs from veteran collectors, by which time you will have schooled yourself to see some differences, but continue to take Stogies' words to heart that even he does not have certittude on certain types, so be prepared to pass on pieces until conditions are favourable. Small, well-considered collections--good collections! I own one A-H I really like after 15 years. I've only held three real Bulgarian's in 25 years. I have never trusted Air Gunners until I bought a sweet one from a knowledgeable dude on this thread who deaccessioned his...etc. etc. RgdsJohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 No, but its fun to be patient and consult forums like these, kick the tires at shows, and be ready to pay for attributable groups or hand-me-downs from veteran collectors, by which time you will have schooled yourself to see some differences, but continue to take Stogies' words to heart that even he does not have certittude on certain types, so be prepared to pass on pieces until conditions are favourable. Small, well-considered collections--good collections! I own one A-H I really like after 15 years. I've only held three real Bulgarian's in 25 years. I have never trusted Air Gunners until I bought a sweet one from a knowledgeable dude on this thread who deaccessioned his...etc. etc. RgdsJohnHi JohnThat is very smart advice you have given me, key is to be patient this I need to remember. It is all to common to jump in without the proper research & books. I can see it would be most preferable to purchase from a knowledgeable collector then through other avenues. Many thanks.SincerelyYankee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaba1914 Posted December 16, 2006 Author Share Posted December 16, 2006 (edited) Hi Stogieman,the left one look like mine and have the same flaw.Can you post now the dimensions of both badges and the engraving.@Luftmensch the pin on your badge looks not so good. This is me opinion. Can you take a picture of the engraving. Edited December 16, 2006 by jaba1914 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftmensch Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 (edited) Hi, Jaba--I'm looking for that picture. I don't have the badge any more because, like Stogie, I wasn't sure about it. It was from a guy who occasionally "salted" a group with missing pieces. Which sort of contradicts my earlier advice but leads to the next free bit of advice--IGNORE THE STORY! Examine every piece for what it is, or isn't. Edited December 16, 2006 by Luftmensch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaba1914 Posted December 17, 2006 Author Share Posted December 17, 2006 Found this thread look at this badge. The same flaw bavarian badge whit flaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftmensch Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Good thread...not because it says anything conclusive...but because people are unable to get comfortable with certain Bavarian badges and bailing out! Live to fight...I mean collect...another day.Rgds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 I guess I'm the only one that can see clear differences between the badge in the other thread and this one. Also, I'm rather surprised that no-one wishes to comment on the "flaw" on the smooth-back Bavarian Pilot!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 (edited) The smooth back and ray back flaws are entirely different. At the risk of your ire, why don't you just tell us. Edited December 17, 2006 by Brian von Etzel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 I'm sorry Brian, I have no clue what you're talking about. The flaw appears on both badges, in the same approximate place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 (edited) I'm not saying something isn't happening in more or less the same location but I'm not sure based on the quality of the scans whether that something is the same something. What little is there looks like something different to me but coincidentally in the same general area. The one on the right has that little something extra in a bump going on. Edited December 19, 2006 by Brian von Etzel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Look, I'll make this easy on you....Start with the comparison pair. The badge on the left is a copy. The badge on the right is real... casting flaw in the hinge well and all...Now, using the photos shown, start going over every single detail, every single point. Start comparing the dimensions and the appearance of size/depth/detail from badge to badge. These are not cobbled together images. Two badges, one scan for the front. One for the back. Currently, there's a number of collectors who will "never touch a flawed badge" as well as collectors who will never touch a Bavarian badge with a crown well of this shape.Here's an interesting, old discussion from another Forum:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/sho...ad.php?t=132666Again, if you believe every one of these is fake.... mail them to me. What are you waiting for? They're fake. Aren't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Now this gentlemen's photo from the link provided above, is a clear crisp example of a flaw. Most gentlemen, including myself, can see clearly the attributes of the flaw here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 and this is a flaw in more or less the same position of an unquestionable fake of which I will make no humor about willing to sell to the gentlemen here at any price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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