Which artillery officer...

[Chris Boonzaier]

Looks like 6th Field Artillery...

A Hauptmann

[Chris Boonzaier]

officer commanding 9th Battery, 3rd Abteilung FAR 6:

Hauptmann Jonkheer de Casembroot

Jack Sheldon on the great war forum gave me the following info....

Can anyone add anything to this?

Thanks

Chris

[Bernhard H.Holst]

Hello Chris.

The 1913 Rangliste shows this officer as Lt. w/dte of rank as 27.Jan.1908 assigned as Adj. II./FAR 6

FAR 6 : Feldartillerie-Regiment von Peucker (1.Schlesisches) Nr.6

The "Ehrenrangliste " of 1926 shows him as Hptm.a.D. from the same unit, so he apparently survived WW I.

Bernhard H. Holst

[Chris Boonzaier]

Hi,

Once again from Jack Sheldon..

"When they marched out of barracksin Breslau at the beginning of the war, he was a leutnant and adjutant of 2nd Abt. By 1 Jul 15 he was in the same appointment, but by now an oberleutnant. Some time between then and June 1916 he became a hauptmann and took over as battery commander 6th Bty 2nd Abt. For some reason he moved to 9th Bty, 3rd Abt prior to 1 Jul 17. He was still in that appointment and rank on 1 Apr 18 but was not on 1 Oct 18. I have had a quick look through the history and can see no record that he was killed, so it is quite feasible that he was posted as a battalion commander elsewhere. That is a guess. If I get a chance I shall check more carefully, but I do not think that I missed anything important first time through."

All thats missing is a summary form Rick saying what medals he had and what his dogs names were... :-)))

[Guest Rick Research]

I do not know Jack. I thought I knew all the wizards.

FRANZ-RUDOLF Jonkheer de Casembroot

seems to have his name and his hereditary Dutch title confused, so he is usually found under "Jonkheer" rather than "Casembroot,"

Leutnant 27.1.08 A3a

Oberleutnant 27.1.15 W58w27 (the most bizarre seniority designator I've ever seen)

Hauptmann 18.4.17 N4n

Received Saxe-Meiningen War Honor Cross (alllll those rolls, those rolls-- that's where his front names come from )

24 July 1915 as Oberleutnant, Adjutant IInd Battalion/ Feldart Rgt 6.

Returned to Wehrmacht service as an Erg?nzungsoffizier--

Major (E) 1.10.34 #266, January 1939 on staff of Wehrwirtschaftsstelle Potsdam in the "Gruppe Heer."

Oberstleutnant (E) circa 1939/40

Oberst (S) 1.7.42 #115 in May 1944 on staff of R?stungs Inspektion II.

He was allergic to dogs.

[Chris Boonzaier]

Hi,

Jack just happened to have the Info, he is a writer on western front battles. Wrote a classic book on the german troops on the Somme.

Any guess what he probably had on his ribbon bar in 1917? Looks like 3-4 ribbons.

I am really excited to get his jacket!!!

[Glenn J]

Franz Rudolph JONKHEER de CASEMBROOT was born on 1 November 1883 at Tschetzkowitz in Silesia. He entered Feldartillerie-Regiment von Peucker (1. Schlesisches) Nr. 6 as a Fahnenjunker on 8 November 1906. Promtoed to F?hnrich on 20 July 1907 and commissioned on 18 August 1908.

Rick,

the Oberleutnant seniority was W58w - the 27 being part of the date on the next column.

Regards

Glenn

[Chris Boonzaier]

Thanks Guys....

Watch the forum for photos sooooon!!!

[Blackhorse]

Franz Rudolph JONKHEER de CASEMBROOT was born on 1 November 1883 at Tschetzkowitz in Silesia. He entered Feldartillerie-Regiment von Peucker (1. Schlesisches) Nr. 6 as a Fahnenjunker on 8 November 1906. Promtoed to F?hnrich on 20 July 1907 and commissioned on 18 August 1908.

Rick,

the Oberleutnant seniority was W58w - the 27 being part of the date on the next column.

Regards

Glenn

Hi Glenn,

If I may ask, where were you able to obtain such detailed personal information on the man? I'm doing research on my grandfather and would love to be able to find information similar to what you provided. If you would point me in the right direction for the references, I would greatly appreciate it.

All the best and thanks in advance!

Chris

[Glenn J]

Chris,

it can be very much hit and miss, depending on the guy's regiment and the information still available. If he was a commissioned officer there is a fair chance that one of us here can trace his career. One requires army lists, officer "Stammlisten", seniority lists etc. etc.

Regards

Glenn

[Blackhorse]

Chris,

it can be very much hit and miss, depending on the guy's regiment and the information still available. If he was a commissioned officer there is a fair chance that one of us here can trace his career. One requires army lists, officer "Stammlisten", seniority lists etc. etc.

Regards

Glenn

Glenn,

Here is what I have thus far.

My gradfather was Kurt Wilhelmy. In the 1914 Rangliste he is listed as Ober-Lieutenant and Stabs Veterinaire in the 5th Kurassier Regiment. In the 1926 Ehren-liste he is listed there as well and as aD, but he eventually came back on duty at some point.

What is missing is all the sort of detail you provided above (Fahnenjunker, Promoted to F?hnrich, commissioning date, when came back on duty, etc)

I've been trying to track down the 1930 Ernst Zipfel Regimental History of the 5th Kurassier Regiment but, thus far, no joy on that.

What other Stamm-Listen or resources should I be researching?

Chris

[Glenn J]

Chris,

veterinary officers did not follow the normal career progession of line officers and consequently Herr Wilhelmy

never held the rank of Fahnenjunker or F?hnrich. Prior to 1 April 1910, veterinarians were classed as military

officials and not as commissioned officers. Although Herr Wilhelmy had a Patent of seniority of 1 November 1909 he

was actually commissioned on the 29th of April 1910 (as indeed were all former active veterinary officials then

serving). As no Offizier-Stammlisten were published for the Garde-K?rassier-Regiment or K?rassier-Regiment Nr. 5

I was unable to determine his actual date of birth or date of entry. He would have served at least six months with a

mounted branch of the service as a private soldier followed by six months instruction at a military smithy prior to

attending the Military Veterinary Academy. Following seven semesters at the academy he would have been appointed as

an Unterveterin?r (Wachtmeister Rank). His first assignment was with the Garde-K?rassier-Regiment in Berlin.

Generally speaking the Unterveterin?r served another six months before first commissioning.

Veterin?r: 29.04.10 (Patent 1.11.09 A) in the Garde-K?rassier-Regiment

Oberveterin?r: 19.11.12 A

23.5.11: Transfered to K?rassier-Regiment Herzog Friedrich Eugen von W?rttemberg (Westpreu?isches) Nr. 5

I would have expected a promotion to Stabsveterin?r sometime in 1917 but cannot find it yet. When I find his promotion date I will come back.

Regards

Glenn

Edited April 11, 2007 by Glenn J

[Blackhorse]

Chris,

veterinary officers did not follow the normal career progession of line officers and consequently Herr Wilhelmy

never held the rank of Fahnenjunker or F?hnrich. Prior to 1 April 1910, veterinarians were classed as military

officials and not as commissioned officers. Although Herr Wilhelmy had a Patent of seniority of 1 November 1909 he

was actually commissioned on the 29th of April 1910 (as indeed were all former active veterinary officials then

serving). As no Offizier-Stammlisten were published for the Garde-K?rassier-Regiment or K?rassier-Regiment Nr. 5

I was unable to determine his actual date of birth or date of entry. He would have served at least six months with a

mounted branch of the service as a private soldier followed by six months instruction at a military smithy prior to

attending the Military Veterinary Academy. Following seven semesters at the academy he would have been appointed as

an Unterveterin?r (Wachtmeister Rank). His first assignment was with the Garde-K?rassier-Regiment in Berlin.

Generally speaking the Unterveterin?r served another six months before first commissioning.

Veterin?r: 29.04.10 (Patent 1.11.09 A) in the Garde-K?rassier-Regiment

Oberveterin?r: 19.11.12 A

23.5.11: Transfered to K?rassier-Regiment Herzog Friedrich Eugen von W?rttemberg (Westpreu?isches) Nr. 5

I would have expected a promotion to Stabsveterin?r sometime in 1917 but cannot find it yet. When I find his promotion date I will come back.

Regards

Glenn

Wow, simply wow. I am amazed. Thank you so much for this information; it answers several questions and fills in quite a few gaps.

What resources did you use, to find this information? I have the 1914 Ranglist and the 1926 Ehrenlist, but neither have the information you were able to graciously locate (at least not to my untrained eye) and provide.

I have an old photograph that seems to indicate that Opa Kurt Wilhelmy served as a private soldier in one of the Hussar Regiments. We believe it was the 10th Hussars, although we're not certain. The family always thought he was a cadet, but you've cleared that up brilliantly.

This is circa 1906 (We believe)

And here he is post war circa 1920

and here circa 1935

We have no idea when he came back on active duty.

Edited April 11, 2007 by Blackhorse

[Glenn J]

Chris,

the 1914 Army List gives his Oberveterin?r Patent and earlier edtions his Patent as a Veterin?r. The actual date of his commissioning and transfer to KR. 5 can be found in the Milit?r-Wochenblatt as will his promotion to Stabsveterin?r when I eventually work through the unindexed 1917 - thousands of columns!

The career structure of veterinary officers canbe found in various period publications such as "Die Berufswahl in Staatsdienste" published in 1913 or the huge history of the veterinary officials/officers titled "Das Deutsche Heeresveterin?rwesen" published in 1933.

It would appear that he returned to duty as a reserve veterinary officer in WW2. He is not listed among the regulars in 1939.

I will try to get hold of the KR 5 regimental history when I visit the Bundeswehr library in Potsdam this weekend.

Regards

Glenn

[Blackhorse]

Chris,

the 1914 Army List gives his Oberveterin?r Patent and earlier edtions his Patent as a Veterin?r. The actual date of his commissioning and transfer to KR. 5 can be found in the Milit?r-Wochenblatt as will his promotion to Stabsveterin?r when I eventually work through the unindexed 1917 - thousands of columns!

The career structure of veterinary officers canbe found in various period publications such as "Die Berufswahl in Staatsdienste" published in 1913 or the huge history of the veterinary officials/officers titled "Das Deutsche Heeresveterin?rwesen" published in 1933.

It would appear that he returned to duty as a reserve veterinary officer in WW2. He is not listed among the regulars in 1939.

I will try to get hold of the KR 5 regimental history when I visit the Bundeswehr library in Potsdam this weekend.

Regards

Glenn

Thanks! This is simply marvelous information.

[Glenn J]

Chris,

I borrowed Zipfel's history of KR 5 but to be perfectly honest it gives little if anything on Herr Wilhelmy. Unusually for a regimental history it is indexed and Oberveterin?r Wilhelmy is listed three times - but all in orders of battle. The only additional pieces of information are that at mobilisation he was assigned to the 2nd Squadron and that he apparently was no longer serving with the regiment after it returned to the Western front in early 1917.

Regards

Glenn

[Blackhorse]

Chris,

I borrowed Zipfel's history of KR 5 but to be perfectly honest it gives little if anything on Herr Wilhelmy. Unusually for a regimental history it is indexed and Oberveterin?r Wilhelmy is listed three times - but all in orders of battle. The only additional pieces of information are that at mobilisation he was assigned to the 2nd Squadron and that he apparently was no longer serving with the regiment after it returned to the Western front in early 1917.

Regards

Glenn

Thank you very much for taking the time to locate that information. That's more than what we had previously.

Again, thank you

Chris

[Chris Boonzaier]

A Big thanks to Dave Danner, RickL and Glenn Jewison for helping get the info for the following write up about the pictured, named tunic.

http://www.kaiserscross.com/40047/75001.html

[Chris Boonzaier]

Paul C tells me he had a 3rd medal on his bar... Hausorden of Hohenzollern....... I guess that makes it harder to find a ribon bar for the jacket....

[Dave Danner]

A few years in coming, but here is a picture of Franz Rudolf Jonkheer de Casembroot:

[Chris Boonzaier]

Hi Dave,

Thanks a million !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry for delay in answering, am in Verdun at the momnt :-))

[Chris Boonzaier]

S'funny, he WAS wounded... but wears no wound badge....