Guns as promised

[bsweeney]

Arminius Model 10; FriedrichPickert, Zella-Mehlis 7.65mm auto; 5 shot.

[Jokka]

Nice, this one is new to me.

[Paul R]

This is a first for me as well. Can you tell us more about it?

[bsweeney]

Jokka and Paul

It is an Arminius model 10; by Friedrich Pickert, Zella St Blasii (till 1919) and then Zella-Mehlis. it is a 7.65 mm auto; pocket mammerless five shot revolver.

Thank's for asking.

Bill

Edited May 4, 2007 by bsweeney

[octave]

Quite intresting at first I thought it was a model with a built in hammer shroud, but reading futher down I relised I was wrong. Thanks for the picture always nice to see something different.

[Paul R]

Thank you for sharing. Was this an official side arm of a military or police?

[bsweeney]

Thank you for sharing. Was this an official side arm of a military or police?

I got a great idea! Since this is a discussion forum and frankly I am not sure of the military usage for a gun like this, if any. Let me describe it ?best I can? and open it to debate as to its possible usage. This revolver is well made, is hammerless, fires a round comparable to a Walther PPK, and is SMALLER than the PPK. Does this description suggest anything to anyone? One more point; it would have been less expensive than the Walther PPK!

Lets hear from someone!

Edited May 6, 2007 by bsweeney

[Jokka]

I would guess it's made for self defense for the commercial market.

[bsweeney]

Does the size of the gun suggest anything else? Also, remember that conditions in Germany around this time would prohibit private gun purchases and limit them to party members only!

[Theodor]

Those are the popular "Velodog type" guns. Dozens of even hundreds of types of these were made by many facories. Small pocket guns, I think the original idea was defense against dogs and etc. Small pocket toy. I think these were sold even at fairs.

[bsweeney]

Those are the popular "Velodog type" guns. Dozens of even hundreds of types of these were made by many facories. Small pocket guns, I think the original idea was defense against dogs and etc. Small pocket toy. I think these were sold even at fairs.

This is not a Vele-Dog it is really classified as a pocket bulldog... most Vele or Velo-Dogs do have enclosed hammers and also folding triggers. The principal feature distinguishing Velo-Dogs from other revolver types is its elongated cylinder, chambered either for the slender 5.5mm center-fire Velo-Dog cartridges (sometimes known as '5.75mm') or a similar 6mm rimfire 'Type Francaise'. This gun, the Arminius Model 10 chambers a 7.65mm auto round same as a Walther PPK or Colt Pocket hammerless.