Christian J Posted May 12, 2007 Share Posted May 12, 2007 Anyone seen one of these before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex K Posted May 12, 2007 Share Posted May 12, 2007 H, no its a new one on me. no maker mark?Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J Posted May 12, 2007 Share Posted May 12, 2007 Why on earth would a widow need a screw-back badge? KRPeter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted May 12, 2007 Share Posted May 12, 2007 Quite a normal self-purchased style for lapel wear-- much like the miniatures of the Mutterkreuz. There are also Frontk?mpfer and Kriegsteilnehmer version found in screwbacks. Apparently men also liked this as a large "fashion statement" if they had no other awards for the standard buttonhole lapel ribbons.I do not know which of the Freiherrn von Gablenz was Police President, since his Wer Ist's entry modestly omits his first name and birth data and states only that he took that post in February 1933. Whichever one he was, he seems rather unusually not to have been a member of the SS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Rick, I just realized that I'm ignorant to the fashion of wearing these decorations (not the first time I might add ). To my understanding, they were worn in their normal size on uniform together with others on a medal-bar or as a single medal-bar, as well as ribbon-bar(s). The chains, ribbon-rosettes, miniatures and half-miniatures were for civilian clothes. This is were I'm lost, I don't know the correct position for a pin-back version of a this decoration, nor do I know if it was worn on uniforms as well (I'm taking about all three versions, not just the cross for widows).KRPeter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 (edited) You could always go for the pin-back Kevin in Deva Edited May 13, 2007 by Kev in Deva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian J Posted May 13, 2007 Author Share Posted May 13, 2007 H, no its a new one on me. no maker mark?AlexNot that i can see. It went on eBay for the astounding price of 54Euro, a tad much for me so i didn't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Not that i can see. It went on eBay for the astounding price of 54Euro, a tad much for me so i didn't get it.Well i think, that is a killer piece and the first one, i have ever seen. Well worth the asked price with document, if you ask me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian J Posted May 13, 2007 Author Share Posted May 13, 2007 Well i think, that is a killer piece and the first one, i have ever seen. Well worth the asked price with document, if you ask me...I tried to snipe it at 51Euro but alas i failed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 I tried to snipe it at 51Euro but alas i failed I bet, it was a Hindenburg Cross Collector, they sometimes pay everything to get a piece like this. There are some very rare variations out there. The Bronze version for example is quite expensive now too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 These little no-ribbon versions were just an unofficial style for civilian clothes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 These little no-ribbon versions were just an unofficial style for civilian clothes.Hallo Rick, excuse what might seem a stupid comment but the screwback and the pin back look like full size versions to me Kevin in Deva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Y Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Why on earth would a widow need a screw-back badge? KRPeterThe Ehrenkreuz f?r Eltern was for next of kin, regardless of sex. I used to have a stickpin with both Frontk?mpfer and Eltern, obviously not for a woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 (edited) Thanks Rick. Perhaps I should emphasize that I don't have any reservations about the design or appearence of this type of decoration, only the fact that it's a widow-cross. The cross with or w/o swords could of course be worn on the lapel of a jacket. However, female garments rarely featured these lapels, leaving the more likely option of wearing it directly on the chest. I can accept this from a male, but having a slight insight in the female character, I doubt any woman would ruin her garment by punching a big hole in it, in order to attach the screw-disk. Just my two cents In addition to Tom's response, this cross was awarded to woman.P.S. Is the cross shown here a normal size cross or a half-miniature (31mm)? D.S. KRPeter Edited May 13, 2007 by Peter J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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