Tim B Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 I thought I read something somewhere here that these medals actually had two variations, with one being more recessed or deeply stamped than the other. I've searched back and forth but can't find what I read. Any help?Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted September 4, 2007 Author Share Posted September 4, 2007 This one is nicely marked with what appears to be a "N" or "Z". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 Peterson says simply (p. 60): "Some medals are sharply struck, others are in very diffuse relief." Make of that what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted September 5, 2007 Author Share Posted September 5, 2007 Hi Ed,Thanks for the reference. Wish I could find what I was looking for as they were a bit more specific. Really hate it when you're looking for something and can't find it again. I do have another one coming that appears to have gilt applied to it, so that will be interesting.Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul L Murphy Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 The gilt appearance is only caused by toning of the silver. If you wipe it witha cloth the original colour will immediately come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 Unlike some of the earlier commemoratives (Constitution, Wedding Anniversary), there's no evidence that either Coronation was ever issued in gold/gilt. As Paul says, tarnish can be tricky.As we've said before, the time draws near when we need a replacement reference book for Peterson (even in the 3rd edition). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted September 5, 2007 Author Share Posted September 5, 2007 Thanks guys! I was wondering IF it might just be toning or if it was one of these "others" that I read about somewhere. Really didn't need a second one, but the toning looks great and it comes with the case and paper wrapper. The first one was just cased. Live and learn, but I'll be happy with it if the toning is really that great looking.Thanks again!Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul L Murphy Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Unlike some of the earlier commemoratives (Constitution, Wedding Anniversary), there's no evidence that either Coronation was ever issued in gold/gilt. As Paul says, tarnish can be tricky.As we've said before, the time draws near when we need a replacement reference book for Peterson (even in the 3rd edition).Ed,Stop trying to tempt me I might give in Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Do it, Paul, do it, Paul, do it, Paul, do it, Paul!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 (edited) Showa Enthronement Medal ("Hirohito Banzai Medal")This medal commemorates the enthromenent of Showa emperor (know to Europeans as Hirohito) in 1928, that took place in the ancient capital of Kyoto. It was awarded to those who participated in enthronement acts in the same way as the earlier Taisho enthronement medal. Imperial Edict No. 188 of 1 August 1928 established the award. The medal is 30 mm. in diameter and made of silver. The obverse has a gilt chrysanthemum crest attached to the center of ghe Imperial throne. At each side there is a Chinese cloud symbolizing good fortune. Below there are the "Banzai!" characters. Around the edge there are blossoms of cherry and mandarine oranges. Reverse shows a vertical banner with the inscription "Grand Enthronement Commemorative medal" and the characters "Showa 3rd year 11th month" below. Different dies were used, as some medals have a deeper relief than others. Medal is suspended by a swivel grip and ring. Ribbon is 36 mm. watered silk with five purple, white, red, yellow and green stripes. Case is of purple cardboard with a gilt inscription. CO Xavier Berdaguer Edited September 14, 2008 by Taz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naoki matsumoto Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Hi Ed,Thanks for the reference. Wish I could find what I was looking for as they were a bit more specific. Really hate it when you're looking for something and can't find it again. I do have another one coming that appears to have gilt applied to it, so that will be interesting.TimShining :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunjinantiques Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 This one is nicely marked with what appears to be a "N" or "Z".I've had a few of those with the "N" or "Z" stamps on the knob too. Also had one with a "S" stamped on the ring. I have no idea what they mean... Anyone have a clue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFloyd Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Peterson also refers to an "M" mint mark on early Rising Sun badges, but explains no further. I was under the impression that the Osaka Mint was the only true mint, so "maker's mark" is probably a better term here. But it's still a mystery why they would use Latin letters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunjinantiques Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Peterson also refers to an "M" mint mark on early Rising Sun badges, but explains no further. I was under the impression that the Osaka Mint was the only true mint, so "maker's mark" is probably a better term here. But it's still a mystery why they would use Latin letters.They probably used Latin letters back then for the same reason they do today...It's "cool." Foreign and exotic = prestige and exclusivity. I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjcp Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 They probably used Latin letters back then for the same reason they do today...It's "cool." Foreign and exotic = prestige and exclusivity. I guess...I've got a sacred treasure 6th I think, with a mintmark that looks exactly like a " t "I posted pictures on here somewhere...lemme look.CheersJC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjcp Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Found it...it's an older 5th class....somebody has gotta know somethin????CheersJC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunjinantiques Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Found it...it's an older 5th class....somebody has gotta know somethin????CheersJCYep, that's the katakana "HI" (pronounced "he") mark. And on the back of some of the Red Cross knobs you'll find "I" イ, "SU" ス, "KA" カ and more I'm sure. The 4th class sacred treasure I'm selling now has the "BI" 美 kanji on the back. I simply don't have the free time to research this... Someone knows though. Some old cat that's been at the Japan Mint for 50+ years... Someone like that must know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul L Murphy Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Yep, that's the katakana "HI" (pronounced "he") mark. And on the back of some of the Red Cross knobs you'll find "I" イ, "SU" ス, "KA" カ and more I'm sure. The 4th class sacred treasure I'm selling now has the "BI" 美 kanji on the back. I simply don't have the free time to research this... Someone knows though. Some old cat that's been at the Japan Mint for 50+ years... Someone like that must know.Peterson refers to these as makers marks, however I suspect some of them might be control marks within the Mint. I will try to unravel this as part of the work I intend doing for my next book which will be on Japanese awards and medals. However part of the problem is that most of the records were destroyed in the bombing during WWII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunjinantiques Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Peterson refers to these as makers marks, however I suspect some of them might be control marks within the Mint. I will try to unravel this as part of the work I intend doing for my next book which will be on Japanese awards and medals. However part of the problem is that most of the records were destroyed in the bombing during WWII.Paul,I'm sure you already plan on putting this in your book, but just in case... The numbering system people need to know about...1,一,壱, (there's 2 more for "1", but I can't get my computer to bring it up) 2,二,弐,(there's 2 more for "2" also)3,三, 参, (there's another for "3" also) 4, 四, (there's another for "4" also)5,五,伍6, 六, (there's another for 6 also)...10, 十, 壱〇,壱拾, 拾20,二十, 廿,弐十This list is far from complete.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted March 24, 2009 Author Share Posted March 24, 2009 John,I'm just seeing square boxes behind the roman numerals; I assume I need to download some Japanese fonts or something??I have several awards with different marks; ranging from the "HI" to "BI" to "M"; "M" which I thought was attributed to the Osaka mint. This "N or Z" is the first I seen on any of my pieces. Latest one was a small "M" on a very nice matching Meiji era 4th Class Rising Sun!! Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunjinantiques Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 John,I'm just seeing square boxes behind the roman numerals; I assume I need to download some Japanese fonts or something??I have several awards with different marks; ranging from the "HI" to "BI" to "M"; "M" which I thought was attributed to the Osaka mint. This "N or Z" is the first I seen on any of my pieces. Latest one was a small "M" on a very nice matching Meiji era 4th Class Rising Sun!! TimI can't imagine how many medals went through my hands that were marked without me knowing it... I guess it was a problem of being dazzled by them, but not sititng down and closely inspecting... I just had to relist the "S" stamped medal on eBay. The high bidder won 19 items before they decided they couldn't pay for them (high bidder who welched) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=120396546982 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted March 24, 2009 Author Share Posted March 24, 2009 (edited) Well, honestly the marks don't appear to be in such high regard as they are in German items, probably because we don't know enough about them, what or who they represent and any significance to different makers.Maybe one day this mark or that will command higher prices or be more desirable for one reason or another. Right now, I'm glad we don't put any significance on these as demand and resultant prices would ruin the hobby as it did on the other side of the fence.They are still relatively cheap compared to German WWII items and for that I am extremely grateful! Tim Edited March 24, 2009 by Tim B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunjinantiques Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 (edited) John,I'm just seeing square boxes behind the roman numerals; I assume I need to download some Japanese fonts or something??I have several awards with different marks; ranging from the "HI" to "BI" to "M"; "M" which I thought was attributed to the Osaka mint. This "N or Z" is the first I seen on any of my pieces. Latest one was a small "M" on a very nice matching Meiji era 4th Class Rising Sun!! TimUpon closer inspection I see what I thought read "BI" actually reads "HEI." The same character is used in ZOUHEIKYOKU (The Japan Mint). Didn't notice it until I took a photo of it and posted it. I hope I didn't mislead anyone... I started a topic just for hallmarks and markings on Japanese medals and badges. If you got 'em, post 'em! Edited March 26, 2009 by Gunjinantiques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter3 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 If you guys like marks, you'd LOVE Japanese rifles (if you don't already! ) - especially the early ones like model 30 and 38 Arisakas. I truly enjoy documenting the various marks and stamps I find on rifles. I am guilty of NOT examining my medals however, I'll have to try and take some time this weekend and check them out, granted my collection is small. If I find anything "good" I'll try to get some pics.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter3 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I just had to relist the "S" stamped medal on eBay. The high bidder won 19 items before they decided they couldn't pay for them (high bidder who welched) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=120396546982Wait, are you saying the guy who backed down is the same guy bidding on the relist?? man, that'd make me mad, especially if I had been the second highest bidder!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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