A Minor Challenge to British Badge Collectors............

[Robin Lumsden]

..............but a major challenge for me.

I know nothing about these.

Can anyone tell me what this Boer War slouch hat badge is worth?

[leigh kitchen]

Nope, but it's an interesting little unit, volunteers from India.

Obviously worth more to a specialist collector than to magpies.

Id've thought you (& Colonel Lumsden) would have steered clear of horses given the clan history of falling off the things.

As an aside, I met a Household Cavlry officer, Major Thorneycroft some years ago in Bosnia - descendant of the Thorneycroft of Mounted Horse fame - I have 2 of that units slough hat badges, a straight bar "TMI" they were also shoulder title format.

[Robin Lumsden]

Thanks Leigh.

Guess it must be fairly scarce then, eh?

What's the story with the Lumsdens who fell off the cuddies?

[leigh kitchen]

Looks scarce to me, way back when a Lumsden clan leader fell off his horse & was killed, can't remember any more than that - but it's always seemed a good idea to me to avoid horses.

[Robin Lumsden]

The name Lumsden derives from the old manor of Lumsden in the parish of Coldingham in Berwickshire. The earliest known recordings of the name appear between 1166 and 1182 when the brothers Gillem (William) and Cren de Lumsden witnessed a charter by Waldeve Earl of Dunbar to the Priory of Coldingham.The lands of Lumsden are first mentioned in a charter dated 1098 of King Edgar of Scotland and his son Malcolm Canmore. Gillem and his brother Cren are the first recorded owners of the land. In 1296 Adam Lumsden and Roger de Lumsden were among the Scottish clan leaders who were force homage to King Edward I of England with both of their names appearing on the Ragman Rolls.

14th Century:

Around 1328 Gillbert de Lumsden married a heiress of Blanerne and by 1329 had received a charter for the Blanerne lands by the Earl of Angus. By the mid 14th century offshoots of the Lumsden clan had charters and lands confirmed to them in Conlan in Fife and Medlar and Cushnie in Aberdeenshire.

17th Century & Thirty Years' War:

In the early 17th century during the Thirty Years' War the Clan Lumsden fought for the Swedish King Gustavus Adolphus in a unit called "Lumsden's Musketeers".

17th Century & Civil War:

One of the Lumsden brothers, James Lumsden returned from the war in Europe with his men to fight in the Civil War which was taking place in England, Ireland and Scotland to support the Covenanters. They fought at the Battle of Marston Moor in 1644 where King Charles I was defeated. They also fought at the Battle of Dunbar (1650) under David Leslie where the Covenanters were defeated by the Parliamentarians. James Lumsden's brother Robert defended Dundee against General Monck but he was killed on its surrender.

18th Century & Jacobite Uprisings:

During the Jacobite Uprisings of 1745 to 1746 the Chief of Clan Lumsden was Prince Charles Edward Stuart's secretary. After the Battle of Culloden the chief fled to Rome. He returned to Scotland in 1773 and was pardoned by the British government. His tartan waistcoat is preserved at Pitcaple Castle.

Nothing I can find about falling off a horse.

I like the story about 'Lumsden's Musketeers', though! God only knows what they got up to during the 30 Years War.

Lots of pillaging and 'you know what', no doubt!

[Robin Lumsden]

Colonel Lumsden, of 'Lumsden's Horse'....................................

[Ulsterman]

By the way: here is a free download.....

http://www.archive.org/details/historyoflumsden00pearrich

[Robin Lumsden]

By the way: here is a free download.....

http://www.archive.org/details/historyoflumsden00pearrich

Many thanks!

[9th Black Watch]

Robin,

One just sold on eBay for c.?55.

Lumsden's Horse are an interesting (and well collected unit). I have a couple of Queen's South Africa Medals to L.H. men in my collection.

All the best,

Derek (Don't know if you remember but I met you at HQ in Glenrothes a couple of years ago - I had the Special Constabulary Medal to Chief S.C. James Affleck)

[leigh kitchen]

Check the photo - this one was on ebay........did you get it Robin?

I was wrong about a Lumsden falling of his horse - checking on the web it was the Lumsdens who benefitted from a King Alexander the nth falling off his horse.

[9th Black Watch]

Check the photo - this one was on ebay........did you get it Robin?

Have now checked the posting and realise it sold for ?63 and Robin was the high bidder - consider my wrists well and truely slapped.

[Robin Lumsden]

Robin,

One just sold on eBay for c.?55.

Lumsden's Horse are an interesting (and well collected unit). I have a couple of Queen's South Africa Medals to L.H. men in my collection.

All the best,

Derek (Don't know if you remember but I met you at HQ in Glenrothes a couple of years ago - I had the Special Constabulary Medal to Chief S.C. James Affleck)

Thanks Derek!

I remember!

[Robin Lumsden]

Check the photo - this one was on ebay........did you get it Robin?

I was wrong about a Lumsden falling of his horse - checking on the web it was the Lumsdens who benefitted from a King Alexander the nth falling off his horse.

Hello Leigh.

Yes................I bought the badge as a present for my younger brother who is resident in Australia.

As a matter of interest, I live a few miles from Kinghorn, which is where King Alexander III fell to his death from his horse in 1286..............the stupid cuddy rode over a cliff. A monument there now marks the spot. See below.

I didn't know that any Lumsdens benefitted from the accident!

[coldstream]

Found this fine gentleman in Brookwood Cemetery.....any relation Robin?