General Sir Charles Warren

[Alex K]

Does anyone have a complete list of his decorations?



regards



Alex K

[Guest Rick Research]

Photo... 1880s?

Born when? Died when?

[Guest pikemedals]

hi i can tell you the last medal is a 1887 metropolitan police jubilee medal named to the co division. the photo must be post 1887 paul

[David S]

He was London Metropolitian Police Commissioner from 1886 to 88, it was on

his watch that Jack the Ripper slew at will

Born - 1840 / Died - 1927

Here's a short list of his awards (there are probably others) -

The Most Distinguished Order of St Michael & St George - Knights Grand Cross (G.C.M.G.)

The Most Honorable Order of the Bath - Knights Commander (K.C.B.)

Order of St John of Jerusalem - Knight of Justice

-in the pic on his medal bar-

South Africa Medal

Egypt Medal

Khedives Star

Metro Police Jubilee (1887)

He served as a General (not a very good one) in the Boer War, so he probably received the following-

Queens South Africa Medal

Kings South Africa Medal

Egyptian Order of Medijiye (sp?) - 3rd class (one of his collar awards)

Edited July 30, 2008 by David S

[Ralph]

According to Services of officers he received the QSA with 3 clasps (Cape Colony, Orange Free State and Relief of Ladysmith) but not the KSA.

Ralph

[Alex K]

Thanks for the fast replies everyone.

regards

Alex K

[censlenov]

I believe if you look jut infront of his medal bar there is also a Queen victoria's diamond jubilee medal of 1897 and as its not attached to the rest i theorize this photo would have been taken shortly after it was awarded.

Cheers

Chris

[Alex K]

I believe if you look jut infront of his medal bar there is also a Queen victoria's diamond jubilee medal of 1897 and as its not attached to the rest i theorize this photo would have been taken shortly after it was awarded.

Cheers

Chris

I think you're right, well spotted and thanks, edit but what's this? BTW is that a military crimson uniform or a diplomatic dark Blue?

regards

Alex

Edited July 30, 2008 by Alex K

[Mike Dwyer]

I think you're right, well spotted and thanks, edit but what's this? BTW is that a military crimson uniform or a diplomatic dark Blue?

regards

Alex

Actually I believe that's his police commissioner dress uniform, dark blue with silver embroidery.

Edited July 31, 2008 by Mike Dwyer

[Great Dane]

The 'this' is the civil version of the Order of the Bath. It goes with the rightmost breast star on the picture.

/Mike

[Alex K]

Once again gentlemen thanks for your input.

regards

Alex

[James Hoard]

The uniform is really the civil court uniform (dark blue), but without cuffs and trouser legs one cannot be sure of which class. It was worn by a variety of civil government employees, e.g. governors, ambassadors, privy councillors, and so on.

Here is a link to a shart online biography for Warren

http://www.pef.org.uk/Pages/People/Warren.htm

He also seems to have been prominent in masonic circles.

Cheers,

James

[Alex K]

The uniform is really the civil court uniform (dark blue), but without cuffs and trouser legs one cannot be sure of which class. It was worn by a variety of civil government employees, e.g. governors, ambassadors, privy councillors, and so on.

Here is a link to a shart online biography for Warren

http://www.pef.org.uk/Pages/People/Warren.htm

He also seems to have been prominent in masonic circles.

Cheers,

James

Hi James for the link, already found that one, btw I assume that they no longer wear these types of civil uniforms?

regards

Alex

[James Hoard]

Hi James for the link, already found that one, btw I assume that they no longer wear these types of civil uniforms?

regards

Alex

Since Courts were abandoned more than 60 years ago the opportunities to wear them are slim. Besides which, the cost must now be astronomical.

From time to time one sees some British Ambassador to another monarchy or a Lieutenant-Governor in Canada wearing one. The courts of Denmark or Thailand seem to go in for gala uniforms and very formal events, so the British Ambassador tends to wear his there.

A few years ago I saw Lord Steel, the former leader of the Liberal Democrats in the UK, wearing his as a Privy Councillor. Alas, I cannot remember what the function was.

[Alex K]

Since Courts were abandoned more than 60 years ago the opportunities to wear them are slim. Besides which, the cost must now be astronomical.

From time to time one sees some British Ambassador to another monarchy or a Lieutenant-Governor in Canada wearing one. The courts of Denmark or Thailand seem to go in for gala uniforms and very formal events, so the British Ambassador tends to wear his there.

A few years ago I saw Lord Steel, the former leader of the Liberal Democrats in the UK, wearing his as a Privy Councillor. Alas, I cannot remember what the function was.

I assume that these were private purchase items and not "Government issue", they must have cost a fortune to taylor, still I suppose when entering a room with say 100 people all wearing similar garb, decorated with shiny baubles, it must have looked a pretty impressive sight.

thanks for the info

regards

Alex

[James Hoard]

Hello Alex,

Sorry, but I know not how these things were funded.

However, in Warren's day one usually had to purchase the insignia for the orders one received. There are reports of many people refusing to accept awards because they simply could not afford the cost. So one probably had to pay for the uniform too.

In more recent times I know that diplomats receive clothing allowances.

Cheers,

James

[Alex K]

Pay for your own awards It's just a good job that "Tommy Soldier" didn't have to do that otherwise there would be nothing for us to collect

thanks

regards

Alex