censlenov Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I was wondering what everyone thinks as to its authenticity. I'm going to be selling off my entire collection of militaria short of my CEF medals to finance the publishing of a new book and want to be sure its 100%. Now the one thing i will say is that if you look at the reverse crown the beads are indented not protruding???? never seen that before. I will get some better pics done of the order as these don't do it any justice and i'm embarassed to post these. I don't see any markings on it.CheersChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Hi censlenov,I am sorry, I just can not feel real comfortable about those swords.I am sure, however, that more knowledgeable members will sort this out.Best wishes,Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medalnet Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Absolutely agree, those swords are not from a authorized manufacturer. Yet, the piece looks old and was for sure purchased in time. Maybe for a medal bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
censlenov Posted October 3, 2008 Author Share Posted October 3, 2008 I did think about the swords but the hilt is pretty narrow however they are more of a gold colour then shown in the picture. The dirt and grim and tarnish on it sure do make it seem like its period. Could it be a jewelers copy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Could it be a jewelers copy?This is very possible. As suggested by medalnet - "Maybe for a medal bar." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAO Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I think that cross is made of brass. Is that correct? Greetings Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
censlenov Posted October 3, 2008 Author Share Posted October 3, 2008 (edited) I think that cross is made of brass. Is that correct? Greetings MikeThe cross looks to be some kind of metal that has been silver gilt; brass would be the most likely candidate? Have you come across this before? Edited October 3, 2008 by censlenov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
censlenov Posted October 3, 2008 Author Share Posted October 3, 2008 It's been suggested on another forum that this may have been an award dating from 1916-18. Which is why the materials used arn't consistent with earlier production issues (solid silver). The person who suggested that idea stated that around 1916 solid silver awards were replaced by a gilt "pot metal". It's a plausible theory and the piece definately has some age to it. When i get a good photo taken the quality of the eagle is absolutely breath taking. Searching around the forum i found http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=29478&hl=red+eagle if you study the swords on the 3rd class in post 2 they are very similar to the one i have.Searching here (i know these are eagles on 3rd class)http://medalnet.net/Eagle_Design.htm I'd have to say my eagle looks very similar to 4 th type 1854 - 1918 made by Wagner silver gilt decorationThe more i look at it the more i like it as a period piece and the late war explanation make alot of sense.Still looking for more feedback before i sell it off.CheersChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAO Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 I know these pieces but do never believe that they are between 1916 - 1918 were manufactured. Why? Non-ferrous metals (Buntmetall) was an important commodity in the WWI are not silver. I think the cross for a production after 1920 while also addressing the different design of the crown would be explainable. Greeting Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
censlenov Posted October 4, 2008 Author Share Posted October 4, 2008 I know these pieces but do never believe that they are between 1916 - 1918 were manufactured. Why? Non-ferrous metals (Buntmetall) was an important commodity in the WWI are not silver. I think the cross for a production after 1920 while also addressing the different design of the crown would be explainable. Greeting MikeThanks so much for your opinion Mike at least i can say its not an outright forgery.CheersChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
censlenov Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 Here are the better pictures as promised. Still not happy about how the eagle is showing up its much nicer in person. What would be a fair price to ask for this piece as i will be moving it on shortly to finance publishing costs for a new book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
censlenov Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 The Eagle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
censlenov Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 Obverse and Reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAO Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Please take pictures of the swords. ;o) Best Regards Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
censlenov Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 are these good enough or shoul i try to get better ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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