Kriegsmarine Clocks onboard U-boat?s ?

[Hinrik]

Hi guys,

Can some of you post wartime photos that show what type of clocks were mounted inside the subs? I am very interested in see the clock in the radio room. I think it is suposed to look like this on?

This one came from the estate of Wilfried Prellberg, Commander of U-19 and U-31.

Regards

Hinrik Steinsson

[Mike]

Hi guys,

Can some of you post wartime photos that show what type of clocks were mounted inside the subs? I am very interested in see the clock in the radio room. I think it is suposed to look like this on?

This one came from the estate of Wilfried Prellberg, Commander of U-19 and U-31.

Regards

Hinrik Steinsson

I'm not really into clocks but If they were submerged , how would they know if it was 2am or 2pm ?I always thought that they used clocks with the 24 hour Military scale ...since they had limited access to sunlight on the Subs . I have only 2 Heer desk clocks but they are the standard style ..

[Gordon Williamson]

U-Boats used exactly the same clocks as surface ships, there was no special version for them. All the standard KM clocks had the normal 12 hour cycle numerals. The finest, and most collectable, by Kieninger and Obergfell do not have the smaller 13-24 numerals adjacent to the larger 1-12 numerals.

The larger Junghans ships clocks have the smaller 13-24 numerals running inside the larger numerals on the early brass cased versions and outside the larger numerals on the later bakelite cased versions.

The smaller sized Junghans 8-day ships clock which is what this is, correctly does not have the 13-24 numerals.

Hinrik, this type clock was indeed used on U-Boats, but not exclusively, so could also have come from a surface ship, but it is a good original piece.

[Hinrik]

Thanks for the info Gordon. This clock came directly from Commander Prellberg?s daughter along with some other things. This clock is all I got from the estate.

Regards

Hinrik

[Gordon Williamson]

My apologies Hinrik, I should have read your post more carefully. As this is a correct type of clock found on U-Boats and with the additional factor of having recieved it from the estate of a U-Boat commander it is a fair assumption that it did indeed originate from a U-Boat and not a surface ship.

[Mike]

U-Boats used exactly the same clocks as surface ships, there was no special version for them. *********************************************

At a local Auction 5 months ago , I passed up on a KM marked 8 day that was similar to this one. It sold for $300.00 ...For some reason I always assumed they used the 24 scale. I can see that my "assuming" (and not knowing for sure) cost me now. Thanks for the info Gordon ..I lost out on that one but , live and learn.

---please don't tell me what it's worth , I don't need salt added to the wound

[Alejandro]

Good afternoon gentlemens,

Hinrik, concerning your question I am not sure of my right concerning posting of images in books. The clock in your image is reproduced in Knirim, Konrad (2002): Milit?ruhren/Military timepieces, Verlag Peter Pomp, Bottrop-Essen page 287.

Also a pic of the U 124 radio room is there to be seen:

Message station of U 124: The oficer has a KM wrist watch, left at the wall is a small Junghans clock J30E with chromed bezel.

Image below (Knirim collection):

Submarine wall clock Junghans cal J30D with big dial and 8 days movement and the smaller version with Junghans J 30D

Another pic of U 2518 radio room, page 281, shows the Kieninger & Obergfell wall watch near a 40 watt Lo 40K39 transmitter

I think your watch is the Junghans J30D or a very similar version

hope this helps

best regards

Alejandro Gomez Guerrero

http://community.webshots.com/user/eaj1es (personal Uboat items collection)

[Hinrik]

Thanks Alejandro and welcome to this forum. I think Micheal and many of the other U-boat collectors here would be very interested in seeing photos of your collection.

Maybe you can post some in the thread I sent you?

Regards

Hinrik

[Alejandro]

Hello Hinrik

Thanks, I sent you some images of the gallery. I tried to create with the items an inaccurate 1:1 exhibit

regards

Alejandro

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[Alejandro]

A Kieninger Obergfell german navy wall clock, and a Biber(?) Turmluk

regards

Alejandro

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[Alejandro]

And a telephone recently restored

regards

Alejandro

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[Colin O.]

Hello Alejandro,

that looks to be quite a remarkable collection you have there.. well done.

Regards.

Col.

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[Alejandro]

Hello Colin

Thanks for your kindly comments. It?s focused on technical artifacts and technical documents

regards

Alejandro

[Hinrik]

Alejandro,

Your collection looks great To answer my own question, I found a photo from your collection on weshots site:

http://community.webshots.com/album/72980040tKyAHZ

My German is not too great, but I think this is a photo you took inside U-995 ?

Clearly shown, here in the Radio room, bottom right, is the clock in question! And interestingly, there is also a large brass clock there.

Regards

Hinrik

[Alejandro]

Hello Hinrik

You are right, it?s the U 995. I forget this photo. I was in Laboe 2 years ago taking photos. The wall clock is the Junghans Kriegsmarine ship?s clock (images in Knirim (2002) page 186.

regards

Alejandro

[Steve J P]

Hi Hinrik

I have only just registered. I stumbled accross this site whilst researching my own clock, a Kieninger & Obergfell. This was 'acquired' by my Grandfather who served in the Royal Marines during WWII. Although it was in pretty good condition, I have had the movement checked and a cog replaced. The face was polished Brass, but is now restored with silver oxide? I have attached a photograph.

IF ANYONE KNOWS HOW I MAY TRACE THE U-BOAT IT WAS ON I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED TO FIND OUT.

Cheers

Steve

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[Hinrik]

Steve,

If you do not have any dates or places know where your grandfather might of have picked up the clock, I think it will be very hard to find out which U-boat. If he was on an HMS ship, which you knew the name of, it might be easier...but Royal Marines? He could of picked it up almost anywere and from a ship for that matter.

In my expiriance, items stories have often changed in the 60+ years, since end of WWII

Regards

Hinrik

[Steve J P]

Steve,

If you do not have any dates or places know where your grandfather might of have picked up the clock, I think it will be very hard to find out which U-boat. If he was on an HMS ship, which you knew the name of, it might be easier...but Royal Marines? He could of picked it up almost anywere and from a ship for that matter.

In my expiriance, items stories have often changed in the 60+ years, since end of WWII

Regards

Hinrik

[Steve J P]

Hinrik

As I have no more detail, I guess I'll never know! Thanks for replying anyway.

Steve

[afx20000]

I also have a Kieninger & Obergfell ships clock like the examples shown above which I am thinking to sell. Regards, Florian

Edited August 27, 2013 by afx20000

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