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Hi Rick,

Brunswick from 1914 until 1916 is done... :cheers::cheers:

Allers Hermann Bra Student Jolzminden J Bra BrRM 00.00.1911

Asche Karl Bra Sch?ler Neubr?ck J Bra BrRM 00.00.1899

Beck August Bra Kontordiener Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1872

Becker I. Pr Musketier Braunschweig IR 92 J Bra BrRM 00.00.1884

Beims Albert Bra Metallschleifer Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1907

Bremer August Bra Bahnarbeiter Holzminden J Bra BrRM 00.00.1914

Bubeck Heinrich Bra Kaufmann Bremen J Bra BrRM 00.00.1907

Busse Wilhelm Bra Postillon Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1891

Buttenberg Bra Steiger Frellstedt J Bra BrRM 00.00.1890

B?hle August Bra Brieftr?ger Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1903

B?hmke Heinrich Bra BadeMstr Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1899

B?ndel Konrad Bra Sch?ler Holzminden J Bra BrRM 00.00.1902

B?tticher Bra OSteuerkontrolleur Blankenburg J Bra BrRM 00.00.1892

Cuers Wilhelm Bra Steuersupernummerar Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1878

Dehn Christian Bra Student Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1910

Dony Kurt Bra Student Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1912

Ehlers Bernhard Pr Ser Braunschweig IR 92 J Bra BrRM 00.00.1912

Engelke Bruno Bra B?ckerMstr Wieda J Bra BrRM 00.00.1899

Erdmann Walter Bra Sch?ler Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1912

Fesq Walter Mar Matrose Riddagshausen J Bra BrRM 00.00.1904

F?rster Bra Steueraufseher Gandersheim J Bra BrRM 00.00.1883

Genter Heinrich Bra Musiker Gandersheim J Bra BrRM 00.00.1912

Genzel Leonhard Bra Musiker Holzminden J Bra BrRM 00.00.1881

Gier Bra W?chter K?nigslutter J Bra BrRM 00.00.1913

Gl?ser Fritz Bra G?rtnergehilfe Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1908

Gohl Hugo Bra Handlungsgehilfe Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1909

Gottschlick Emil Pr Musketier Braunschweig IR 92 J Bra BrRM 00.00.1908

Grahl Christian Bra Schmiedelehrling Emlinghausen J Bra BrRM 00.00.1912

Grimm Hans Bra Landwirt Thedinghausen J Bra BrRM 00.00.1909

Grote Alexander Bra OTertianer Holzminden J Bra BrRM 00.00.1881

Gr?fe Julius Bra Tischler Sier?e J Bra BrRM 00.00.1905

G?nther Alfred Bra Kaufmann Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1907

Heyne Pr UFF Braunschweig IR 92 J Bra BrRM 00.00.1885

Hund Hermann Bra Maschinenschlosser Teichh?tte J Bra BrRM 00.00.1909

Husung Karl Bra Zimmergeselle Greene J Bra BrRM 00.00.1880

Idczak Josef Bra Bergmann ?lsburg J Bra BrRM 00.00.1904

Kaesewieter Albert Bra SteuerInsp Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1903

Kraatz Willi Bra Malerlehrling Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1900

Kricheldorff Hermann Bra Kaufmannslehrling Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1913

Kr?mer Artur Bra K?rschner Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1901

Kumlehn Hermann Bra Lotteriehauptkontrolleur Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1904

K?chler Otto Bra G?rtner Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1914

Lampe Robert Bra Schlachtergeselle Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1910

Lieben Ferdinand Bra Maurerpolier Wenzen J Bra BrRM 00.00.1878

Lindemann O. Bra Soldat Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1870

Lippelt Kurt Bra PolizeiSer Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1912

Luja Wilhelm Bra Malergehilfe Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1895

Mack Bra Apothekergehilfe Thedinghausen J Bra BrRM 00.00.1909

Mast Rudi Bra Forstschutzlehrling Gandersheim J Bra BrRM 00.00.1896

Maul Wilhelm Bra Ackergehilfe Veltenhof J Bra BrRM 00.00.1914

Maushake Hugo Bra Kaufmann Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1904

Meyer Helmuth Bra Sch?ler Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1913

Meyer Konrad Bra Stra?enfeger Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1903

Mlaske Franz Bra Lohgerbergeselle Gandersheim J Bra BrRM 00.00.1902

Mohmeyer Gustav Bra Formstecher Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1886

Natalis Friedrich Bra Polytechniker Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1887

Oppermann Heinrich Bra Schlosserlehrling Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1907

Otto Ewald Bra Student Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1913

Papenburg Walter Bra Sch?ler Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1912

Pfannkuche Bra Techniker Helmstedt J Bra BrRM 00.00.1886

Reckler Fritz Bra G?rtnerlehrling Wenden J Bra BrRM 00.00.1903

Ro?bach Paul Bra Schlosser Wolfenb?ttel J Bra BrRM 00.00.1910

R?hland Ad. Bra PolizeiOWM Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1911

Salge Rudolf Bra Handlungsgehilfe Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1895

Salomon Julius Bra Halbsp?nner Pabstorf J Bra BrRM 00.00.1896

Schiffmann Alfred Bra Klempner Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1901

Schiller Dr. Rudolf Bra Apotheker Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1910

Schlue Wilhelm Pr OSchirrMstr Wolfenb?ttel Art-Nebendepot J Bra BrRM 00.00.1913

Schneider Adolf Bra Hauptseminarist Wolfenb?ttel J Bra BrRM 00.00.1915

Schneider Paul Pr Feuerwerker Wolfenb?ttel ArtDepot J Bra BrRM 00.00.1903

Schrader Pr UFF Braunschweig IR 92 J Bra BrRM 00.00.1882

Schulz Hermann Bra Trompeter Braunschweig HR 17 J Bra BrRM 00.00.1880

Sch?fer Fr. Ed. Bra Arbeiter Ahlum J Bra BrRM 00.00.1898

Sch?ppe Karl Bra Lehrer Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1886

Spies Gustav Bra Primaner Wolfenb?ttel J Bra BrRM 00.00.1887

Stelling Karl Bra Maschinenw?rter Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1903

Steltzer Jog. Chr. Bra Kollegianer Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1861

Sternberg Karl Bra M?llergeselle Helmstedt J Bra BrRM 00.00.1895

St?lting Martin Bra Gymnasiast Helmstedt J Bra BrRM 00.00.1886

Wilhelms Franz Bra Kontorist Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1873

Willikens Bra H?ttenDir Bad Harzburg J Bra BrRM 00.00.1886

W?hlbier Wilhelm Bra Gep?cktr?ger Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1905

W?lk Friedrich Bra Bergmann Wolsdorf J Bra BrRM 00.00.1909

Zimmermann Erich Bra Hilfslehrer Wendeburg J Bra BrRM 00.00.1905

Campe Bra Rittergutsbesitzer Deensen J Bra BrRM 00.00.1895

Grone Pr H Braunschweig Fl?geladj. Herzog J Bra BrRM 00.00.1914

Werlhof Karl Pr L Braunschweig HR 17 J Bra BrRM 00.00.1912

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:jumping: :cheers: Werner! I have a feeling my ribbon bar belonged to an NCO so he will be dissguised as a civilian on the list if not one of the active duty "invisible" NCOs. Paul will get the Court And State to me and I will type out grades of the Henry the Lion to compare who had BOTH among these people.

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So THAT'S why he never got commissioned! This is what's left for my Suspects List, then: after removing people with known groups of other awards, ancient civilians, school boys AFTER 1897 etc:

Asche Karl Bra Sch?ler Neubr?ck J Bra BrRM 00.00.1899

B?hle August Bra Brieftr?ger Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1903

Beims Albert Bra Metallschleifer Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1907

Bremer August Bra Bahnarbeiter Holzminden J Bra BrRM 00.00.1914

Bubeck Heinrich Bra Kaufmann Bremen J Bra BrRM 00.00.1907

Campe Bra Rittergutsbesitzer Deensen J Bra BrRM 00.00.1895

Ehlers Bernhard Pr Ser Braunschweig IR 92 J Bra BrRM 00.00.1912

Fesq Walter Mar Matrose Riddagshausen J Bra BrRM 00.00.1904

Genter Heinrich Bra Musiker Gandersheim J Bra BrRM 00.00.1912

Gier Bra W?chter K?nigslutter J Bra BrRM 00.00.1913

Gl?ser Fritz Bra G?rtnergehilfe Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1908

Gohl Hugo Bra Handlungsgehilfe Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1909

Grimm Hans Bra Landwirt Thedinghausen J Bra BrRM 00.00.1909

Gr?fe Julius Bra Tischler Sier?e J Bra BrRM 00.00.1905

G?nther Alfred Bra Kaufmann Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1907

Hund Hermann Bra Maschinenschlosser Teichh?tte J Bra BrRM 00.00.1909

Idczak Josef Bra Bergmann ?lsburg J Bra BrRM 00.00.1904

Kaesewieter Albert Bra SteuerInsp Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1903

Kr?mer Artur Bra K?rschner Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1901

Kricheldorff Hermann Bra Kaufmannslehrling Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1913

K?chler Otto Bra G?rtner Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1914

Lippelt Kurt Bra PolizeiSer Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1912

Luja Wilhelm Bra Malergehilfe Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1895

Mast Rudi Bra Forstschutzlehrling Gandersheim J Bra BrRM 00.00.1896

Maul Wilhelm Bra Ackergehilfe Veltenhof J Bra BrRM 00.00.1914

Meyer Konrad Bra Stra?enfeger Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1903

Ro?bach Paul Bra Schlosser Wolfenb?ttel J Bra BrRM 00.00.1910

R?hland Ad. Bra PolizeiOWM Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1911

Salge Rudolf Bra Handlungsgehilfe Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1895

Salomon Julius Bra Halbsp?nner Pabstorf J Bra BrRM 00.00.1896

Sch?fer Fr. Ed. Bra Arbeiter Ahlum J Bra BrRM 00.00.1898

Schiffmann Alfred Bra Klempner Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1901

Schiller Dr. Rudolf Bra Apotheker Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1910

Schlue Wilhelm Pr OSchirrMstr Wolfenb?ttel Art-Nebendepot J Bra BrRM 00.00.1913

Spies Gustav Bra Primaner Wolfenb?ttel J Bra BrRM 00.00.1887 DtOrdAlm Amtsrichter?LD2

Stelling Karl Bra Maschinenw?rter Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1903

Sternberg Karl Bra M?llergeselle Helmstedt J Bra BrRM 00.00.1895

W?hlbier Wilhelm Bra Gep?cktr?ger Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1905

W?lk Friedrich Bra Bergmann Wolsdorf J Bra BrRM 00.00.1909

Here are the birthdates of three recipients of the "BrRM" who were members of the Reichsbund der Inhaber der Rettungsmedaille E.V. in 1937--

Maushake, Hugo: born 24.09.1882

Sch?ppe, Karl: born 27.08.1859

Zimmermann, Erich: born 15.11.1885

Sincethe RBdInh dRM E.V. directory does not say WHICH lifesaving medal was held, didn't know they had the one from Brunswick. Everyone else in the Brunswick local group apparently had a PRUSSIAN "?"

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Hi Rick,

what do you mean???? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Husung Karl Bra Zimmergeselle Greene J Bra BrRM 00.00.1880

Husung Bra KreiszimmerMstr Greene J Bra BrHdL 5b 00.00.1909

Lindemann O. Bra Soldat Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1870

Lindemann Dr. Otto Bra H?tteninspektor aD Goslar J Bra BrHdL 3b 00.00.1913

Maushake Hugo Bra Kaufmann Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1904

Maushake Bra Rentner Dobbeln J Bra BrHdL 5a 00.00.1908

R?hland Ad. Bra PolizeiOWM Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1911

R?hland Bra KriminalpolizeiOWM Braunschweig J Bra BrHdL 5a 00.00.1910

Schiller Dr. Rudolf Bra Apotheker Braunschweig J Bra BrHdL 3b 00.00.1912

Schiller Dr. Rudolf Bra Apotheker Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1910

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Husung Karl Bra Zimmergeselle Greene J Bra BrRM 00.00.1880

Husung Bra KreiszimmerMstr Greene J Bra BrHdL 5b 00.00.1909

Naaaaaahhhhh, TOO OLD for 1916 ribbon bar with 4 frontline awards

Lindemann O. Bra Soldat Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1870

Lindemann Dr. Otto Bra H?tteninspektor aD Goslar J Bra BrHdL 3b 00.00.1913

Naaaaaahhhhh, WAAAAY TOO OLD -- he was an 1870 veteran (Orders Almanac)

Maushake Hugo Bra Kaufmann Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1904

Maushake Bra Rentner Dobbeln J Bra BrHdL 5a 00.00.1908

Maybe that was TWO maushakes? Could somebody 26 be a rentner? The BrRM recipient (if these are two different men) was only 15 in 1897, so my ribbon bar can't be his

R?hland Ad. Bra PolizeiOWM Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1911

R?hland Bra KriminalpolizeiOWM Braunschweig J Bra BrHdL 5a 00.00.1910

Could be, could be. A Feldgendarme during the war?

Schiller Dr. Rudolf Bra Apotheker Braunschweig J Bra BrHdL 3b 00.00.1912

Schiller Dr. Rudolf Bra Apotheker Braunschweig J Bra BrRM 00.00.1910

Could be, could be-- called up for the war-- it will all depend on finding out his age!

:cheers:

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My ribbon bar's wearer was on active duty on 22 March 1897 (Centenary Medal) so even if a reservist or draftee or One Year Volunteer, he'd have had to have been born about 1876.

No officer match, so either one of the NCOs or policemen or a civilian reservist "disguised" here by his day job title. If nobody else had any grade of the Henry the Lion, that brings suspects down to R?hland (typically policemen were ex career NCOs) or the pharmacist Dr. Schiller who may never have been commissioned as either a pharmacist or a reserve officer before the war.

My bet would be on R?hland.

Werlhof was a Leutnant when the war started... so impossible to be him.

That's how I've eliminated people.

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Werlhof was a Leutnant when the war started... so impossible to be him.

Oh, me fool was talking about my bars, but forgot to mention. But though, you could have remembered them as there are not "to many" out... ;)

So: Werlhof was a Leutnant when the war started... so possible to be him?! It is almost the same as Werner's bar to von Grone, but not exactely - Oldenburg and Austria, plus yet I'm ignoring the pre-war orders as they were not always worn on war time ribbon bars.

Is there a list with Bavarian MVOs to Non-Bavarians...?

:rolleyes:

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Nope.. you've absolutely got von Grone's bars: double Lifesavings, BMV4X, MK2... like you say, Fashion Statement versions of not all his awards being worn. Why, out of all his peacetime German Orders, he should have decided with these ONLY to wear his OV3b...

maybe these were his "When Friedrich August comes to visit" bars.

BMV4X 15 May 1916.

What is really odd is that he should have slighted Prussia's "?" so badly when by all regulations it should have been in second position-- but yours confirm that Brunswick "BrRM" wearers tossed this award at the back end of their groups. Weird for something so important!

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Rick-- That's the designation here for "Braunschweigisch" for natives, while "Pr" indicates "Preu?isch" and so forth.

It's kind of like Mad Scientist "equation shorthand" or whatever. :unsure: "Research gnomish." :rolleyes:

Thanks, makes sense which is no doubt why I couldn't figure it out :banger: R.

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