Luftwaffe Officer candidate

[Crow]

Salute to everyone,

I post my first message today even I joined this forum for a while. In advance sorry for my English...

I have a question concerning the officer candidate:

In my books of JG300's story some pilots are ranked as Fahnenjunker-Oberfeldwebel, but what the difference between a Fahnenjunker-Oberfeldwebel and an Oberf?hnrich about theirs rank insignia and their respective officer's training ?

thanks

[Naxos]

Salute to everyone,

I post my first message today even I joined this forum for a while. In advance sorry for my English...

I have a question concerning the officer candidate:

In my books of JG300's story some pilots are ranked as Fahnenjunker-Oberfeldwebel, but what the difference between a Fahnenjunker-Oberfeldwebel and an Oberf?hnrich about theirs rank insignia and their respective officer's training ?

thanks

no difference

often an Oberf?hnrich is refferred to as Fahnenjunker-Oberfeldwebel and a F?hnrich as Fahnenjunker-Feldwebel, in both the Heer and the Luftwaffe.

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=33734&hl=

[Crow]

no difference

often an Oberf?hnrich is refferred to as Fahnenjunker-Oberfeldwebel and a F?hnrich as Fahnenjunker-Feldwebel, in both the Heer and the Luftwaffe.

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=33734&hl=

ok thanks for your response, still few questions:

1) For Fahnenjunker-Unteroffizier is there another name like for Fhj-Fw > F?hnrich and Fhj-Ofw > Oberf?hnrich ?

2) I have seen different shoulderboard for Oberf?hnrich: with Doppel-Tresse (loop of tress) and without on many photos, what the meaning of that difference ?

thanks

[Naxos]

ok thanks for your response, still few questions:

1) For Fahnenjunker-Unteroffizier is there another name like for Fhj-Fw > F?hnrich and Fhj-Ofw > Oberf?hnrich ?

2) I have seen different shoulderboard for Oberf?hnrich: with Doppel-Tresse (loop of tress) and without on many photos, what the meaning of that difference ?

thanks

2.) After an Oberf?hnrich has successfully completed his Officer exams - he will remove the extra tressen on his shoulder straps and wear the officers collar tabs, belt and hat with his Oberfeldwebel straps until he is promoted to Leutnant

Edited February 22, 2009 by Naxos

[Paul R]

Great reply Naxos!! Thank you! :cheers:

[Crow]

ok for the tress..

But you told me that a Fahnrich is refferred to a Fahnenjunker-Feldwebel an then

1.) Fahnenjunker Unteroffizier is a F?hnrich

there's something I don't inderstand... :unsure:

[Naxos]

ok for the tress..

But you told me that a Fahnrich is refferred to a Fahnenjunker-Feldwebel an then

there's something I don't inderstand...

Sorry, I'm starting to confuse myself - Fahnenjunker-Unteroffizier is simply referred to as a Fahnenjunker

Edited February 22, 2009 by Naxos

[Crow]

OK no pb

so each time a Fahnenjunker-xx has the shoulderboard of the rank xx added with one or a double tress, the type of the tress doesn't matter ?

Edited February 22, 2009 by Crow

[Naxos]

OK no pb

so each time a Fahnenjunker-xx has the shoulderboard of the rank xx added with one or a double tress, the type of the tress doesn't matter ?

The tresse does matter -

WH Heer : doppel Tresse for Offiziersanw?rter and einfache (single) Tresse for Unteroffiziersanw?rter.

Luftwaffe: silver cord for Offiziersanw?rter

[Crow]

Ok for te precision concerning the silver cord

so we have:

Fhj-Gefreiter => Gefreiter

Fhj-Unteroffizier => Fahnenjunker

Fhj-Fw => Fahnrich

Fhj-Ofw => Oberfahnrich

Another question:

1) A pilot Oberfeldwebel who want to become an officer start as a Fahnenjunker-Gefreiter during his officer's training or at upper rank ? (He is degraded in some point of view...)

Edited February 22, 2009 by Crow

[Naxos]

Depending on the officer candidate's education - a young recrut with Abitur (higher education) can be promoted after basic training to Gefreiter and then be accepted to officer training as a Fahnenjunker-Gefreiter.

The entire training was about two years (sped up during the war)

A NCO depending on his rank - when accepted to officer training will add the Fahnenjunker stripes to his NCO straps. He will keep his existing rank. If he is already an Oberfeldwebel the officer training is less.

Edited February 22, 2009 by Naxos

[Crow]

So in certain case, it's possible to have an old Fahnenjunker-Stabsfeldwebel...

Is it possible that a pilot-Ofw to be promoted to Leutnant on the field without becoming a officer candidate ?

Edited February 22, 2009 by Crow

[Naxos]

Is it possible that a pilot Oberfeldwebel to be promoted to Leutnant on the field without becoming a officer candidate ?

He has to take a company commander training course

Edited February 22, 2009 by Naxos

[Naxos]

So in certain case, it's possible to have an old Fahnenjunker-Stabsfeldwebel...

I don't think so - since Stabsfeldwebel like Stabsgefreiter is a dead end rank

[Crow]

So they become Stabsgefreiter/Stabsfeldwebel (with time) because they were unable to become NCO candidate/Officer candidate ?

[Naxos]

So they become Stabsgefreiter/Stabsfeldwebel (with time) because they were unable to become NCO candidate/Officer candidate ?

You can be a Gefreiter forever and never advance - The Stabsgefreiter rank is to honor an exceptional soldier that for whatever reason (most likely lack of education) can not advance to become an NCO

[Crow]

Do you know if there is a minimun time between each promotion, or skills to get promoted ?

thanks for your knowledge ;)

[Naxos]

During peacetime there was a minimum time for promotion -

[Crow]

do you know how many ?

(I have so many questions... )

Edited February 22, 2009 by Crow

[Naxos]

do you know how many ?

(I have so many questions... )

Most of your questions will be answered in here: Handbook on German Military Forces, U.S. War Department Technical Manual TM-E 30-451 published in March 1945.

http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/tme30/index.html

Edited February 22, 2009 by Naxos

[Crow]

thanks ;)

[Naxos]

thanks

You are most welcome :cheers: