Fake Fake Order of Osmanie Selling on E***

[avsaribar]

Dear Friends ,

Just for an information , the item number 170328627582 on Eb** is an fake order of Osmanie , selling from France now.

All the Best ,

Avsar Ibar

[Claudius]

Hello Avsar Ibar;

Thank you for the warning. Are there any key clues in identifying fake Osmanies? What can you tell us about known qualities found on these fakes.

Regards,

Claudius

[Tim Tezer]

This sold for a lot of money, considering what it is. I think maybe it is not a fake, but just heavily repaired. The reverse medallion has a lot of "junk" on it that makes me think it was re-soldered. Also, the enamel does not look right, but it is uneven and the colors are not consistent, so I think it is just a repair job.

Tim

[avsaribar]

This sold for a lot of money, considering what it is. I think maybe it is not a fake, but just heavily repaired. The reverse medallion has a lot of "junk" on it that makes me think it was re-soldered. Also, the enamel does not look right, but it is uneven and the colors are not consistent, so I think it is just a repair job.

Tim

Dear Tim ,

I respect your knowledge and information , but in my opinion that order which was sold was totally new made . The only original part of that order is it's ribbon .

1 - The center of the order (inside of the red enamel) , must be gold inlaid , that one was not.

2 - The enamel is not cold enamel on the order.. (As you mentioned ...)

3 - The Cresent and the star on the up of the order is , smaller and less detailed then the Original Order's ones...

4 - Just till 3 - 4 years , we start to see those fake Osmanie orders in Istanbul , even I have one in my shop ..

(I am showing them to my customers...)

Below i am pasting pictures of the one which we are talking about and an original one ...

Regards,

Avsar Ibar

[avsaribar]

Dear Claudius ,

Please check the topic "To Compare , A fake and an Original Order of Osmanie" , under the "Turkey" .

You can find more pictures and info there...

Regards,

Avsar Ibar

PS: I am again posting another fakes Osmanie's pictures ... This is the same kind of fake made by the same people or company what ever...

[Tim Tezer]

Avsar,

I see your point. It is always hard to tell with just photographs, but there is no doubt that the center medallion is completely wrong. I hadn't really noticed it before. I would have to agree that this piece is completely fake.

Tim

[palencia]

Hi,

A strange breast star of the Osmanie Order.

A fake, or a rare variation?

Regards

Edited June 17, 2009 by palencia

[peter monahan]

Palencia

I know nothing about Turkish orders but it strikes me that the ends of the two hooks on your piece are very rough - just the way they would have been after wire cutters were used. Or is that just the photo.? Anyway, it seems odd to me that on a fancy enameled piece the maker wouldn't have bothered to round off and file smooth the points.

Just my two cents worth

Peter

[palencia]

Palencia

I know nothing about Turkish orders but it strikes me that the ends of the two hooks on your piece are very rough - just the way they would have been after wire cutters were used. Or is that just the photo.? Anyway, it seems odd to me that on a fancy enameled piece the maker wouldn't have bothered to round off and file smooth the points.

Just my two cents worth

Peter

Hi Peter,

in addition, the distribution to the holes in the back is very irregular.

Certainly it is not a fine work :rolleyes:

[avsaribar]

Dear Peter and Palencia ,

That order , i mean the one which you posted looks like an Osmanie Order with red enamel , is %100 fake.

They are selling it for 50 USD in open markets here in Istanbul.

Sincere Regards,

Avsar Ibar

Ibar Jewellery Antiques - Orders & Medals

[palencia]

........and more fakes on **ay: 330345592667 and 330345593738

Edited July 20, 2009 by palencia