Thomas W Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Please correct me if I am wrong here. I am too lazy in my old age ........... 1. The Heuschkel unit served in 1919-20 ?? 2. The Ober/Stabsgefreiter badge dates from 1921 ?? 3. The TK is an official WW1 FW badge ............. not a later unofficial one .............. but is still worn long after it should have been removed, according to the instructions of the Crown Prince ?? So .............. both the WW1 FW TK and the Heuschkel badge were worn unofficially after 1920 ?? The Freikorps units were virtually banned by the National Disarmament Law (Entwaffnungsgesetz) of 1920. Some Freikorps units were absorbed into the Reichswehr and continued to wear their insignia until about 1921. Essentially you're right. After November 11, 1918 the official flamethrower Totenkopf was banned, and after August 11, 1920, most Freikorps insignia were banned. By the way, I've exchanged e-mails with the guy who runs the Web site with the embroidered badge, and he says he'll send me a high-resolution copy of the photo of the "Flammen-Kommando" that has a Totenkopf on the signboard. I think it dates from 1914. That would be pretty fascinating if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Essentially you're right. Gott sei Dank !! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 I've exchanged e-mails with the guy who runs the Web site with the embroidered badge, and he says he'll send me a high-resolution copy of the photo of the "Flammen-Kommando" that has a Totenkopf on the signboard. I think it dates from 1914. That would be pretty fascinating if true. You are a hero ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas W Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Just noticed ............. the GKSK photo stamp appears to date from 1919, unless old stamps were used by successor units. When was the chevrons rank badge introduced? I thought it was 1921, but I may be mistaken (again!) If I'm mistaken about the chevrons, the photo is probably from 1919. I've got one that shows a flamethrower pioneer wearing one in 1916: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas W Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Here's the back of the card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 I've got one that shows a flamethrower pioneer wearing one in 1916: Thanks, Thomas! In that case, this photo is probably from 1919. My mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 This type of sleeve chevron was worn during the war by the rank of Etatmäßige-Feldwebel. Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 This type of sleeve chevron was worn during the war by the rank of Etatmäßige-Feldwebel. Chip Thanks Chip. I have lived and learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted January 28, 2012 Author Share Posted January 28, 2012 Just a nice pic to keep the thread going ............... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted January 28, 2012 Author Share Posted January 28, 2012 And a nice box lid ..................... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas W Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 And a nice box lid ..................... I built that model years ago and got it on the cover of a long-defunct modeling magazine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas W Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Rear view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas W Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Had to convert WWII German figures, since at the time nobody made WWI versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas W Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 It was fun making teeny little handlebar mustaches out of putty. I had to give up modeling because of my eyesight. To do that sort of work today, I'd need to lengthen my arms to nine feet and strap on a pair of binoclulars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant 08 Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Just a nice pic to keep the thread going ............... In this case you will surely like this picture. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted January 29, 2012 Author Share Posted January 29, 2012 I built that model years ago and got it on the cover of a long-defunct modeling magazine. Excellent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted January 29, 2012 Author Share Posted January 29, 2012 In this case you will surely like this picture. Wonderful !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas W Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 In this case you will surely like this picture. What a coincidence! The same photo appears on the back cover of my new book, which will be published fairly soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas W Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 The back cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant 08 Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 What a coincidence! The same photo appears on the back cover of my new book, which will be published fairly soon. Only the back cover? I hoped, it could find the way on the front cover. :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas W Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Only the back cover? I hoped, it could find the way on the front cover. The writer has no authority on editorial decisions. My editor made all the decisions, and I just saluted and said "Zu Befehl!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted January 29, 2012 Author Share Posted January 29, 2012 I just saluted and said "Zu Befehl!" Story of my life. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas W Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 (edited) Okay, another layer to the Flammenwefer-Totenkopf story: This link was posted here a little earlier: http://www.tapferes-...lungsgeschichte I asked the Web master for a high-res copy of the photo at the top of the page, and he agreed, under the condition that I not post it anywhere else. It turns out that the photo shows members of Flammenwerfer-Abteilung Reddemann in late 1914, sitting with Richard Fiedler, inventor of the flamethrower, and they've got a Totenkopf drawn on the signboard. The photo was taken at a factory in Westphalia, where they later built the Kleif M.1915, the weapon that looks very different from all the other Fiedler designs used by the flamethrower battalions and regiment. I've traced an exact outline of the Totenkopf on the sign. It was drawn in chalk, which is why it looks so crude. To me, it's clearly a reference to "poison" or "danger" rather than any military unit or any part of German heritage. The original Fiedler flamethrowers were designed to spray either flame or poison gas; in fact, the Germans used flamethrowers to spray poison gas at Rawa on June 6, 1915. So, I disagree with the Webmaster of the site, whose theory is that the flamethrower pioneers originated their Totenkopf insignia and then the higher authorities later approved it. According to my research, the Prussian-style Totenkopf worn by the flamethrower pioneers had a lot of historical and cultural significance, and the badge was considered a formal award, suggested by the Crown Prince and apporved by the Kaiser. I think the chalk Totenkopf drawn on the signboard by the members of Flammenwerfer-Abteilung Reddemann only represents "poison" or "Beware!" These men see themselves as dangerous dealers of death from flame and gas, so they label themselves as such. Edited February 3, 2012 by Thomas W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted February 3, 2012 Author Share Posted February 3, 2012 Very interesting. Just a thought .................... If the FW troops felt that a totenkopf should be adopted by them as early as 1914, maybe the later 'approved' insignia just happened to be the Prussian type because of its old associations with the Crown Prince and his Leibhusaren. In other words, the KP was 'rubber stamping' what the FW troops wanted, using his own preference of TK. In any event, Death always has the last laugh ................................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Lumsden Posted February 3, 2012 Author Share Posted February 3, 2012 To me, it's clearly a reference to "poison" or "danger" rather than any military unit or any part of German heritage. This type of skull as on the chalk board was also associated with the military pre-1914. Not just a danger sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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