Mervyn Mitton Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 (edited) One of the most important things for a collector is information. I have realised over the years that the British system of Hallmarking silver and gold is a mystery to many people - and to find a listing that clearly shows them is not always an easy task. The British system - at a glance , can tell you the maker - where it was assayed (usually where it was made) - the standard of silver - and the year it was assayed. All of the info. is on the following sheets - which were published by the Assay Offices in U.K. - their addresses are on the last page if you wish to order a copy. They also give gold marks - which are standardised for Europe. Next time you are browsing the markets have these sheets and a small magnifying glass and you will be surprised how often British silver turns-up - often in the unlikeliest places. (For those interested, I have just listed British Orders of Knighthood - in their correct precedence. This is under British Medals - Order of Knighthood.) Two important points to remember with silver - British standard, known as 'Sterling' - shown by the Lion Passant - is 925 parts silver, with 75 parts tin. This strengthens the silver. European silver is usually only a standard of 800 parts. However, where they are making for the English or American market , they will use 925 - but, with no hallmarks, they have to stamp it 'sterling'. American silver also uses the word 'sterling' Edited August 29, 2009 by Mervyn Mitton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Rick Research Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 This is EXTREMELY useful information-- will permanently "pin" it in here as the genral "Research" reference sub-forum. I've been looking for this for ages myself! :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Mitton Posted August 29, 2009 Author Share Posted August 29, 2009 Have just added a para. to explain the difference with Continental and U.S. silver. (In case the first page is not big enough to read, I am repeating it here.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 (edited) I bought just such a book a few years back in an antique shop and used it when searching for a bargain Great War hallmarked trench watch and eventually came up trumps - 35 € for a 1917 hallmarked watch in good working order which I wear daily except for at work. This site may also be of interest, it includes many hallmarks used worldwide http://www.925-1000.com/index.html Tony Edited August 30, 2009 by Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 (edited) To emphasise just how important such a reference book can be, I've just checked the marks on my watch. Import mark for Birmingham with GS stamp (George Stockwell was a registered importer from 1907), 925 and the letter stamp 's' which is for 1913 and not 1917 as I stated above. Tony Edited August 30, 2009 by Tony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIR Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 Hi, here some links: http://www.silvercollection.it/hallmarks.html http://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_marks_a1884.html Best regards, Jens 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh kitchen Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I have a post 1902 Suffolk Regiment officers Kings Crown cap badge, solid die struck & stamped "STERLING" - so this means that it is european as oppsed to UK made Merv, or could it be UK made to european standrds rather than British hallmark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WAR LORD Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I have a post 1902 Suffolk Regiment officers Kings Crown cap badge, solid die struck & stamped "STERLING" - so this means that it is european as oppsed to UK made Merv, or could it be UK made to european standrds rather than British hallmark? Small items did not have to be Hall Marked, they could be sold as "White metal" not described as silver. The mark Sterling has the conertation of being silver of .925 standard, thus it was identified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Mitton Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 Hi - Leigh. Yes, as War Lord comments, they did for bulk items , sometimes, try to dodge paying the hallmark charges. However, as you will know, most badges of the period are hallmarked. I would like to comment on reference books - if you are a silver collector or, have an interest in old hallmarks - then you need a good ref. book. I find Jackson's Hallmarks (isbn 1 85149 169 4) to be excellent, since it identifies the dealers marks. Whilst there have been many assay offices and marks, most are for the serious collector. The ones I showed above will help for the those items you most commonly come across. Also, remember that Govt. issue do not have to be hallmarked. Many British Medals are 1oz. of sterling silver and even if in very poor condition are worth money - at this date 1oz. is worth approx. £5 (31 gms - $8). It is worth keeping a list of those that were issued in silver. (WW2 Br. issue - also Aust. NZ, and Sth. Africa - apart from the Africa Medal - were coin metal - cupro-nickel.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SasaYU Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Very interesting book. Thank you for posting. Also, very usefull links. Thank you. :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 On 02/09/2009 at 01:45, SasaYU said: Very interesting book. Thank you for posting. Also, very usefull links. Thank you. I agree I always have problems for the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpk Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 A very good reference for maker's and hallmarks is the website 'Silver Makers Marks- https://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/. I used this extensively on a recent book I wrote- 'A Guide: Medals & Awa5rds to British Firefighters'. The site covers all mainland mints in the UK, and is very comprehensive. Even a few which I couldn't identify were solved by sending a request and image to the website and they came up with details every time. Highly recommended. Dave Picton-King 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 Nice job Dave 1 hour ago, dpk said: A very good reference for maker's and hallmarks is the website 'Silver Makers Marks- https://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/. I used this extensively on a recent book I wrote- 'A Guide: Medals & Awa5rds to British Firefighters'. The site covers all mainland mints in the UK, and is very comprehensive. Even a few which I couldn't identify were solved by sending a request and image to the website and they came up with details every time. Highly recommended. Dave Picton-King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Hi Dave, I just used the site you provided to identify a recent Knight Bachelor badge i added to my collection It is the second type made by Royal Mint in London in 1934 Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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