Roster Interpretation Help

[ItemCo16527]

Hi all,

I just downloaded some entries from the Bavarian Personnel Rosters for WWI from Ancestry.com. I found a soldier whose funeral card I have, and in one of the entries for him, there is a long notation below his entry. I can make out entries like "8. September 1918" and "Cambrai" which I believe relate to his having died of wounds. However, I am having a lot of trouble trying to decipher the handwriting, and was wondering if anyone would be able to make heads or tails of it. I tried to enhance it slightly to help make it a little more legible. Thank you in advance for your help!

[Naxos]

Here is what I can read:

Landsturmmann Max Siedersberger is am 8. September 1918 um 8 Uhr, an den Folgen eines am 24.8.1918 erhaltenen Lungen- und Rückensteckschusses im preussischen Feldlazarett 32 verstorben und auf dem Militärfriedhof I Cambrai Grab Nummer 2487 beerdigt worden.

Für die Richtigkeit vorstehenden Eintrags

Im Felde den 15. Oktober 1918

gezeichnet: Carl Fein

Leutnant der Reserve und ? Offizier II. Bataillon, Regiment 17 neu.

Translation:

On September 8, 1918 the Landsturm man Max Siedersberger passed away in the Prussian Field Hospital 32 from a bullet wound, through lung and embedded in his back, which he received on August 24, 1918. He was buried in the Military cemetery I in Cambrai.

Signed: by Lt. of reserve Carl Fein II. Battalion Regiment 17, new.

Edited November 11, 2009 by Naxos

[ItemCo16527]

Thank you so much, Naxos. I really appreciate your help with this :)

[Chris Boonzaier]

Hi,

what bavarian records do they have there? The complete files?

Thanks

Chris

[ItemCo16527]

Hi Chris,

According to Ancestry:

This data collection contains the personnel rosters of soldiers serving in Bavarian Army units during World War I (1914-1918). These rosters list information such as: name of soldier, rank, birth date, birthplace, religion, and parents' names. This first release contains ca. 1.7 million records for the infantry, cavalry, Bavarian war ministry, and high command.

I managed to find the soldier I was researching with no problem. They even have a couple of entries for Hitler himself since he was assigned to a Bavarian Reserve Regiment. I'll post what I've found momentarily.

[ItemCo16527]

Entries for Landsturmmann Max Siedersberger:

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[Chris Boonzaier]

aaaarrggh... what does it cost t join???

[ItemCo16527]

aaaarrggh... what does it cost t join???

The World Deluxe Membership, which is what you'd need to view these and British Medal Index Cards and service records, is priced at around $24.95/month, or ~$300/year However, with the amount of research I do on my family and soldiers whose medals and uniforms I own, the subscription paid for itself several times over this past year.

[Chris Boonzaier]

Hi,

I have soooo much bavarian stuff I must join.

As a quickie, do they have anything on Lt Cornel Dumbacher (Born 3. April 1887 in Schneeberg) ?

He is a relative of my wife.

Thanks

Chris

[Chris Boonzaier]

sory, meant cornelius as first name.

[ItemCo16527]

Hi Chris,

If found three hits, but I suspect there were some transcription problems. The rosters appear to have been photographed, rather than scanned, and the camera's flash washed out some of the writing. I also cannot, for the life of me, decipher German handwriting.

The three hits are listed as:

-Farenlius Dumbacher, born 3 April 1887, Schneeberg (Mittenberg) Unterfranken

-Karl Dumbacher, born 3 April 1887, Schneeberg Bezirksamt Miltenberg Bayern

-Karuel Dumbacher, born 3 April 1887, Schuseberg Bezirksamt Miltenberg A/M. Untfrk

I'm very confident these are all the same person with the first names being transcribed incorrectly due to the poor quality of the photos of the roster pages. The only one where I can make out a Dienstgrad is Karl Dumbacher, and he is listed as a Leutnant.

Edit:

Upon much closer inspection "Farenlius" definitely looks like "Cornelius". "Karuel" appears to be "Koruel" or "Kornel". "Karl" is nearly indecipherable to me :(

Edited November 11, 2009 by ItemCo16527

[Chris Boonzaier]

Hi,

tahts our man!

Schneeberg is small.

I have bee trying to find something like this for years!!!!

[Ulsterman]

HELL-O!!

Medal information as well.

Off to subscribe to Ancestry!!

Thanks for the tip!! :cheers:

[ItemCo16527]

You're welcome, Ulsterman. Always glad to help when I can. Just be sure to tell the folks at Ancestry that I'd like a cut of the membership fees for sending you their way :lol:

[Chris Boonzaier]

I must say, this blew me away.

I took the one month membership and have researched about 50 of my bavarian infantrymen.

Unfortunately the other branches (Jäger etc) are not yet up.

This is incredible!!!!! maybe the greatest step forward for imperial research in the online times.

WOW!

I will stick with the 1 month membership for now... it would be cheaper to join twice a year for a month than to keep it bubbling all year so i will collect what I need, then sign up to research.

WOOOOW!

LOTS of answers cleared up!!!!!!

[Naxos]

Chris, does it have the Baden Stammrollen as well?

[Chris Boonzaier]

Hi,

nope, for some reason known only to someone who I have no idea of who the person is.... someone else, somewhere, is going to huge amounts of trouble to scan in all the bavarian data....

[Naxos]

Thanks

[ItemCo16527]

I must say, this blew me away.

I took the one month membership and have researched about 50 of my bavarian infantrymen.

Unfortunately the other branches (Jäger etc) are not yet up.

This is incredible!!!!! maybe the greatest step forward for imperial research in the online times.

WOW!

I will stick with the 1 month membership for now... it would be cheaper to join twice a year for a month than to keep it bubbling all year so i will collect what I need, then sign up to research.

WOOOOW!

LOTS of answers cleared up!!!!!!

Hi Chris,

I'm really glad this was so hopeful to you. I didn't post a thread alerting everyone to it because I figured someone had beaten me to it - I probably should have looked harder! You're right, this is a huge step forward for Imperial German research. Hopefully, Ancestry will be adding more things like this in the near future. If this is the reason that the British service records for surnames beginning with P through Z were delayed for so long, then I won't be mad at Ancestry anymore :lol: