Kriegs Verdienst Kreuze

[Guest Darrell]

I think you got that backwards Jim cheeky

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:violent-smiley-017: animal

[Jim Baker]

Darrell,

You get so worked up over a couple of cases???? What's the big deal???

[Guest Darrell]

Darrell,

You get so worked up over a couple of cases????  What's the big deal???    

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You're right Jim .... I'd be alright if I had a Cased Mint 26 ... it would settle my nerves

[Jim Baker]

Alright. If and when I part with it, it's yours.

For a price......

[Guest Darrell]

Alright.  If and when I part with it, it's yours.

For a price...... 

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I'm afraid of that ....

[Jim Baker]

I get easier as I get older!! wub.gif

I'm off to bed. It was good to see so many show up. We'll bring the German forum to life.

[Gordon Williamson]

Laurence,

Thought you might like to see this one.

[Gordon Williamson]

Clamshell screwback KVK1. These can be tricky as Floch made Clamshell versions of his fake KVK1. The Floch pieces have certain distinctive characteristics though, so its possible to tell an unmarked original like this from a Floch.

[Laurence Strong]

Very Nice Gordon Thank you

[Jim Baker]

Yes Sir,

VERY nice. Thank you.

Larry,

You should post a close up of yours. It's a really nice piece.

These are so under rated. I just love the look of them. Can't wait for a certain authors book to come out!!!

[Laurence Strong]

Well Jim, as you know I dont ordinarily like to show off cheeky

I dont know what the picture is going to be like, but here you go.

Sorry but my camera does not do it justice, I had to scan it. Not as minty as Gordons, and I will admit I have though a few times of buffing it up, but in the long run, I think the patina is nicer. Yes it's good to run into Gordon again, from what I have been told "The Bible" will soon be going to the publishers.

Edited April 2, 2005 by Laurence Strong

[Jim Baker]

Fantastic. A couple of rare crosses here. I really like it Laurence.

Thanks to both of you for sharing these.

This is one great thing about the internet, a few years ago you just couldn't have seen these beauties except in old catalogs, and then in poor black and white photos.

[Gordon Williamson]

The one I posted earlier was a Steinhauer, here is the Deschler.

There are quite a few differences in die characteristics, especially the reverse where the numerals are distictly different between the two makers.

[Gordon Williamson]

Laurence, yours is a very fine textbook original example. You should be very pleased with it.

The absolute vast majority of these went to non-military persons such as industrialists etc. There were only a tiny number to military guys. Here is one, General Kreuz.

[Gordon Williamson]

The award ceremonies were often held in large public auditoriums and the awards made "en masse", a bit like graduation day at a university, with all the recipients taking their turn on stage to be handed their awards. There were usually "honour guards" from the military, always Ritterkreuztr?ger, to show the solidarity between those recieving thier awards for services on the home front, and those who were decorated for achievements "in the field"

Here, my friend Hein Springer from the Leibstandarte is one of the honour guards for the award to Franz Hahne

[Gordon Williamson]

If they were realy "favoured", they might get the award personally from Hitler.

[Laurence Strong]

Great information Thank you very much Gordon :food-smiley-004: , I was not aware that military personel got the one without swords. Any idea what he did to recive it?

You have a freind who was in the "LAH", Cool , I was in the food court at a mall in Red Deer, and there was an older grey haired gentleman a few table's away who was wearing a leather hat, and it had the Div sign for the 'Frunsberg", I so wanted to go ask him if that was it, but I had a concern that he might not take it the right way! I would be interested to talk to a vet from there, though they miight not want to talk about their experiences.

Here's another one of mine, It's purported to be an unmarked S&L

Edited April 2, 2005 by Laurence Strong

[Gordon Williamson]

Laurence,

Lothar Kreuz was a Generalarzt, a high ranking Army surgeon, who was also rector of Berlin University. He got the award for his resarch into prosthetic limbs for wounded/disabled servicemen. He survived the war, remained in medicine, and was also decorated by the West German government with the Grossen Bundesverdienstkreuz

Here is another photo of him.

[Laurence Strong]

Here's the first one (the L15) with his twin brother, another L15

[Gordon Williamson]

The "with Swords" looks like it was a real beauty before the finish started to go.

[Gordon Williamson]

Does anyone have any of the propaganda postcards which featured awards and decorations ( usually on a red background) I know they did the KVK series and have been looking around for them. Seen a few with the EKs, Spanish Crosses etc but no KVKs. Nothings ever there when you look for it though !

[Laurence Strong]

The "with Swords" looks like it was a real beauty before the finish started to go.

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Yes it does, thats the way I got it though, it was the first one I ever bought! , And look what it did to me.

Here's the reverse of them

[Laurence Strong]

Is this kind of what you are looking for, Gordon? Ignore the white squiggle, I would re-scan them.

Edited April 2, 2005 by Laurence Strong

[Gordon Williamson]

Yes, that sort of thing. Even closer , like this if possible.

I guess the little white circle was to look for the flaw on the 3. You won't find it on the one without Swords, only on the one with Swords. With Swords and without Swords came from different dies.

[Laurence Strong]

Boy, YOU are good

Edited April 2, 2005 by Laurence Strong