sbintayab Posted September 17, 2010 Posted September 17, 2010 After 1880, in British army, each regular infantry regiment has two militia battalions. Can anyone tell me about the facing color, lace color of the militia battalions of each regular infantry regiment??? Regards Shams
QSAMIKE Posted September 17, 2010 Posted September 17, 2010 On the Militia uniforms I have seen the colours are the same as the home regiment...... Mike
sbintayab Posted September 17, 2010 Author Posted September 17, 2010 Dear Mike, Thanks a lot..........One thing I'll ask-What was the facing color, Lace color and Uniforms color of the volunteer Battalions of Regular Infantry Regiments..... Regards Shams
QSAMIKE Posted September 17, 2010 Posted September 17, 2010 Hi Shams..... There are several books on the subject one of the best is Dress Regulations of the British Army 1900...... Or is there specific units that you are after???? Mike
sbintayab Posted September 19, 2010 Author Posted September 19, 2010 (edited) Dear I want to know about the facing color of volunteer Rifles corps of the regular regiment Shams Edited September 19, 2010 by sbintayab
Graham Stewart Posted September 19, 2010 Posted September 19, 2010 On the Militia uniforms I have seen the colours are the same as the home regiment...... Mike Not sure if this is true. From 1881-1900/02. 'Facing' colours virtually disappeared from the Regular Army, so that you were left with "Royal" regiments wearing blue facings and "non-Royal" regiments wearing white(English/Welsh), yellow(Scottish), green(Irish). At the same time I'm sure that not all Militia Battalions adopted these new facings and some may have continued wearing their old facings for quite a while. Nor were there two Militia Battalions per regiment - the Nothumberland Fusiliers certainly only had one Militia Battalion numbered the 3rd(Militia)Bn and later numbered 5th(Militia)Bn, while I believe both the Kings Royal Rifles and Rifle Brigade had quite a few Militia Battalions affiliated. Again places to look for Militia Battalions and facing colours are our 'Army Lists', 'Harts Mlitia Lists' and the book "The Constitutional Force", which is the story of the Miliita and it's Regiments.
Graham Stewart Posted September 19, 2010 Posted September 19, 2010 Dear I want to know about the facing color of volunteer Rifles corps of the regular regiment Shams The Army Lists, Harts Volunteer Lists should give the Volunteer Battalions of each Regiment and their facing Colours, but you have to remember that not all Volunteer Battalions wore scarlet - the most popular colour of Volunteer uniforms being Grey(various shades), followed by Rifle Green. Some carried these uniforms over into the new Territorial Force. The 1st V.B., Northumberland Fusiliers, later 4th Battalion, Northumberland Fusiliers(T.F.) wore grey until 1910. Ray Westlake published a couple of really good books on the Rifle Volunteers & Volunteer Battalions, which were well illustrated.
Graham Stewart Posted September 19, 2010 Posted September 19, 2010 You can see some coloured illustrations of uniforms from my own collection and other photo's here;- http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=25563&st=0
sbintayab Posted September 20, 2010 Author Posted September 20, 2010 Dear Stewart, Thanks a lot........Your collection is excellent in a word I say......dear I downloaded a book named Harts Army List including Indian Civil service.....But I didn't find any facing color list......Can you help in this book how can I get it???? Shams
Graham Stewart Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 (edited) Dear Stewart, Thanks a lot........Your collection is excellent in a word I say......dear I downloaded a book named Harts Army List including Indian Civil service.....But I didn't find any facing color list......Can you help in this book how can I get it???? Shams I've had a trawl throuhg the internet myself and one site in particular has a large selection of Army Lists to view on line, but it's a geneology site and the subsription is quite expensive even for a Westerner. I think you can also buy them as 'CD's, but really don't know what sorts of price and shipping costs you'd be looking at. Are there no Archive sites in India/Pakistan or regimental museums in that region which hold old copies of British Army List's, references to uniforms etc. Considering it was once "The jewel in the crown", I would have thought some archive material would be found somewhere? Edited September 20, 2010 by Graham Stewart
Stuart Bates Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 (edited) The Militia Battalions appear to have had the same facing colours as the parent regiment. The 1900 DRs simply state facings of regimental colour, and the uniforms of Militia battalions the same as for Line Battalions. Graham is quite right when he says that facings virtually disappeared after 1881 for Line & Militia battalions and were replaced with Blue, White, Yellow and Green as indicated by Graham. Volunteers were not subject to the regular Army Dress Regulations and I attach a page from the 1891 Army List for the VBs of the East Kent regiment. You will see that the facings are given as Scarlet for the 1st VB and Green for the 2nd VB - the tunic being Green in both cases. I get my Army Lists from www.youroldbooksandmaps.co.uk and have permission to reproduce the odd page as the owner is a friend. All of my lists are on CD, apart from 2 hardcover, but they are all available for download. Shams, please don't ask me to go through each regiment for the facing colours as that is too large a task unless I were writing a book on the subject. This begs a re-iteration of Mervyn's question as to what you want all of this information for. You have us all intrigued. Stuart Edited October 13, 2010 by Stuart Bates
sbintayab Posted October 16, 2010 Author Posted October 16, 2010 Dear Stuart, Thanks a lot.........From google books I downloaded the Army List..........In this book, I got the uniform and facing color of British regular, militia and volunteer regiments............ Regards Shams
sbintayab Posted October 29, 2010 Author Posted October 29, 2010 (edited) Dear, I have prepared a list of color of uniforms and facing of Volunteer Battalions Name of Volunteer Battalions Uniforms Facing City of Edinburgh Rifle Volunteer Brigade Grey Grey 1st Midlothian (Leith) RVC Scarlet Black 2nd Midlothian (Midlothian and Peebles-shire) Rifle Volunteer Corps Scarlet Black 1st Berwickshire RVC* Scarlet Blue 1st Haddington RVC Green Scarlet 1st Linlithgowshire RVC Green Scarlet 2nd Surrey RVC Green Scarlet 4th Surrey RVC Green Scarlet 6th Surrey RVC Scarlet Blue 8th Surrey RVC Green Scarlet 2nd Kent (East Kent) RVC Green Scarlet 5th Kent (Weald of Kent) RVC Green Grey 10th Lancashire RVC Scarlet Blue 1st Northumberland (Northumberland and Berwick-on-Tweed) RVC Grey Scarlet 2nd Northumberland RVC Scarlet Green 1st Newcastle-on-Tyne RVC Scarlet Black 1st Warwickshire (Birmingham) RVC Green Scarlet 2nd Warwickshire RVC Scarlet Blue 10th Middlesex RVC Scarlet Dark blue 11th Middlesex RVC Green Black 23rd Middlesex RVC Scarlet Blue 1st Lancashire RVC Green Black Liverpool Rifle Brigade (5th Lancashire RVC) Green Scarlet 13th Lancashire RVC Scarlet Blue 15th Lancashire RVC Scarlet Blue 18th Lancashire (Liverpool Irish) RVC Green Scarlet 19th Lancashire (Liverpool Press Guard) RVC Scarlet Blue 1st Isle of Man RVC Scarlet Blue 1st Norfolk (City of Norwich) RVC Scarlet White 2nd Norfolk RVC Scarlet White 3rd Norfolk RVC Scarlet White 4th Norfolk RVC Grey Grey 1st Lincolnshire RVC Scarlet Yellow 2nd Lincolnshire RVC Scarlet Blue 1st Devonshire (Exeter and South Devon) RVC Green Black 2nd Devonshire Rifle Volunteers (Prince of Wales's) Green Scarlet 3rd Devonshire RVC Grey Green 4th Devonshire RVC Scarlet White 5th Devonshire RVC Scarlet Green 1st Suffolk RVC Green Black 6th Suffolk (West Suffolk) RVC Grey Scarlet 1st Cambridgeshire (Cambridge, Essex and Huntingdonshire) RVC Scarlet Blue 2nd Cambridgeshire (Cambridge University) RVC Grey Grey 1st Somersetshire RVC Scarlet Blue 2nd Somersetshire RVC Grey Black 3rd Somersetshire RVC Grey Black 1st Yorkshire, West Riding RVC Scarlet Blue 3rd Yorkshire, West Riding RVC Scarlet Dark Green 7th Yorkshire, West Riding RVC Grey Grey 1st Yorkshire, East Riding, RVC Scarlet White 2nd Yorkshire, East Riding, RVC Scarlet White 1st Hertfordshire RVC Grey Scarlet 2nd Hertfordshire RVC Grey Green 1st Bedfordshire RVC Scarlet White 1st Leicestershire RVC Scarlet White 1st Yorkshire (North Riding) RVC Scarlet White 2nd Yorkshire (North Riding) RVC Grey Scarlet 8th Lancashire RVC Scarlet Yellow 12th Lancashire RVC Scarlet White 1st Newtown and St. Bowswells RVC Grey Grey 1st Ayrshire RVC Scarlet Blue 2nd Ayrshire RVC Scarlet Blue 1st Dumfriesshire RVC Scarlet Yellow Kirkcudbright and Wigtown RVC Grey Scarlet 1st Cheshire RVC Grey Scarlet 2nd (Earl of Chester's) Cheshire RVC Scarlet Buff 3rd Cheshire RVC Scarlet White 4th Cheshire (Cheshire and Derbyshire) RVC Scarlet Buff 5th Cheshire RVC Grey Scarlet 1st Denbighshire RVC Scarlet Blue 1st Flintshire and Carnarvonshire RVC Scarlet Green 1st Brecknockshire RVC Scarlet White 1st Monmouthshire RVC Green Black 2nd Monmouthshire RVC Scarlet Grass Green 3rd Monmouthshire RVC Green Black 1st Montgomeryshire RVC Grey Grey 1st Roxburgh and Selkirk (The Border) RVC Grey Scarlet 1st Berwickshire RVC Scarlet Scarlet The Galloway RVC Grey Scarlet 1st Lanarkshire (or Glasgow 1st Western) RVC Grey Blue 2nd Lanarkshire RVC Scarlet Blue 3rd Lanarkshire (or Glasgow 1st Southern) RVC Scarlet Blue 4th Lanarkshire (or Glasgow 1st Northern) RVC Scarlet Green 7th Lanarkshire RVC Scarlet Yellow 1st Gloucestershire (City of Bristol) RVC Green Green 2nd Gloucestershire RVC Black Grey Black 1st Worcestershire RVC Green Green 2nd Worcestershire RVC Green Green 2nd Lancashire RVC Scarlet White 3rd Lancashire RVC Scarlet Black 1st Surrey (South London) RVC Green Scarlet 3rd Surrey RVC Green Rifle Green 5th Surrey RVC Green Scarlet 7th Surrey RVC Green Scarlet 1st Cornwall RVC Grey Scarlet 2nd Cornwall RVC Scarlet White 4th Yorkshire, West Riding RVC Scarlet Blue 6th Yorkshire, West Riding RVC Scarlet Sky Blue 9th Yorkshire, West Riding RVC Scarlet Buff 1st Cumberland RVC Scarlet White 1st Westmoreland RVC Scarlet Green 1st Sussex RVC Scarlet Blue 2nd Sussex RVC Scarlet Blue 1st Cinque Ports (Cinque Ports and Sussex) RVC Grey Blue 1st Hampshire RVC Scarlet White 2nd Hampshire RVC Scarlet Yellow 3rd Hampshire RVC Scarlet Yellow 4th Hampshire RVC,br> 1st Isle of Wight RVC Scarlet Yellow 1st Newport RVC Green Green 1st Staffordshire RVC Scarlet White 3rd Staffordshire RVC Scarlet White 4th Staffordshire RVC Scarlet Blue 1st Dorsetshire RVC Green Scarlet 9th Lancashire RVC Scarlet Green 21st Lancashire RVC Green Scarlet 1st Pembrokeshire (Pembroke, Carmarthen and Haverfordwest) RVC Scarlet Dark blue 1st Glamorganshire RVC Scarlet Blue 2nd Glamorganshire RVC Scarlet White 3rd Glamorganshire RVC Scarlet Green 1st Forfarshire RVC Scarlet Blue 2nd Forfarshire (Forfarshire or Angus) RVC Scarlet Blue 3rd Forfarshire (Dundee Highland) RVC Scarlet Blue 1st Perthshire RVC Grey Black 2nd Perthshire (Perthshire Highland) RVC Dark Grey Red 1st Fifeshire RVC Scarlet Blue 1st Oxfordshire (Oxford University) RVC Scarlet Dark blue 2nd Oxfordshire RVC Scarlet White 1st Buckinghamshire RVC Grey Scarlet 2nd Buckinghamshire (Eton College) RVC Grey Light Blue 1st Essex RVC Green Black 2nd Essex RVC Green Green 3rd Essex RVC Green Green 4th Essex RVC Green Green 1st Derbyshire RVC Scarlet White 2nd Derbyshire RVC Scarlet Blue 1st Nottinghamshire (Robin Hoods) RVC Green Black 2nd Nottinghamshire RVC Scarlet Lincoln Green 11th Lancashire RVC Scarlet White 14th Lancashire RVC Scarlet White 1st Northamptonshire RVC Grey Scarlet 1st Berkshire RVC Scarlet Lincoln Green 1st Kent RVC Green Green 3rd Kent RVC Green Black 4th Kent RVC Green Scarlet 3rd Yorkshire, West Riding RVC Scarlet Dark Green 1st Shropshire RVC Scarlet White 2nd Shropshire RVC Grey Black 1st Herefordshire (Hereford and Radnor) RVC Scarlet Black 3rd Middlesex RVC Grey Scarlet 8th Middlesex RVC Grey Grey 11th Middlesex (Railway)RVC Grey Scarlet 17th Middlesex RVC Green Black 3rd City of London RVC Scarlet Buff 1st Middlesex RVC (Victoria Rifles) Green Black 2nd Middlesex RVC (South Middlesex) Grey Scarlet 4th Middlesex RVC (West London) Grey Scarlet 5th Middlesex RVC (St. John's) Grey Scarlet 6th Middlesex RVC (St George's) Green Black 9th Middlesex RVC (Harrow) Green Green 12th Middlesex RVC (Civil Service) Grey Blue 13th Middlesex RVC (Queen's Westminsters) Grey Scarlet 21st Middlesex RVC (The Finsbury) Green Scarlet 22nd Middlesex RVC (Central London Rangers) Green Scarlet 25th Middlesex (Bank of England) RVC Rifle Green Rifle Green 26th Middlesex (Cyclist) RVC Grey Scarlet 1st Wiltshire RVC Green Black 2nd Wiltshire RVC Green Black 4th Lancashire RVC Green Scarlet 6th Lancashire (1st Manchester) RVC Scarlet Yellow 7th Lancashire RVC Scarlet White 33rd Lancashire (2nd Manchester) RVC Green Scarlet 17th Lancashire (Salford) RVC Scarlet Blue 40th Lancashire (3rd Manchester) RVC Scarlet Lincoln Green 2nd Staffordshire (Staffordshire Rangers) RVC Scarlet Blue 5th Staffordshire RVC Scarlet Blue 2nd Yorkshire West Riding (Hallamshire) RVC Scarlet White 8th Yorkshire West Riding RVC Scarlet White 1st Durham (Durham and North Riding of York) RVC Scarlet White 2nd Durham RVC Green Scarlet 3rd Durham (Sunderland) RVC Scarlet White 4th Durham RVC Green Scarlet 5th Durham RVC Scarlet Dark Green 5th Lanarkshire (Glasgow 2nd Northern) RVC Scarlet Buff 6th Lanarkshire RVC Scarlet Black 8th Lanarkshire (The Blythswood) RVC Scarlet Blue 9th Lanarkshire RVC Scarlet Yellow 10th Lanarkshire (Glasgow Highland) RVC Scarlet Blue 1st Ross-shire (Ross Highland) RVC Scarlet Blue 1st Sutherland (The Sutherland Highland) RVC Scarlet Yellow 1st Elgin RVC Scarlet Blue 1st Aberdeenshire RVC Scarlet Yellow 2nd Aberdeenshire RVC Scarlet Yellow 3rd Aberdeenshire (The Buchan) RVC Scarlet Yellow 4th Aberdeenshire RVC Green Scarlet 1st Banffshire RVC Grey Black 1st Kincardineshire (Deeside Highland) RVC Green Green 1st Inverness-shire (Inverness Highland) RVC Scarlet Buff 1st Renfrewshire RVC Grey Scarlet 2nd Renfrewshire RVC Scarlet Blue 3rd Renfrewshire RVC Scarlet Blue 1st Stirlingshire RVC Green Green 1st Argyllshire RVC Scarlet Yellow 1st Dumbartonshire RVC Green Scarlet Clackmannanshire and Kinross RVC Scarlet Blue 7th Middlesex (London Scottish) RVC Brownish Grey Blue 14th Middlesex (Inns of Court) RVC Grey Scarlet 15th Middlesex (Customs and Docks) RVC Green Scarlet 16th Middlesex (London Irish) RVC Green Light Green 18th Middlesex RVC Green Black 19th Middlesex RVC (St. Giles and St. George's Bloomsbury) Green Green 20th Middlesex (Artists) RVC Grey Grey 24th Middlesex (Post Office) RVC Green Blue 1st Tower Hamlets RVC Scarlet Blue 2nd Tower Hamlets RVC Grey Scarlet Regards Shams Edited October 29, 2010 by sbintayab 1
Stuart Bates Posted October 29, 2010 Posted October 29, 2010 Dear Shams, truly a labour of love. Well done and where to from here? Regards, Stuart
Stuart Bates Posted October 29, 2010 Posted October 29, 2010 Shams, the link you gave to the London Scottish was most informative. I never knew that the Hodden Grey was chosen partly to avoid interclan difficulties with the different tartans. Stuart
sbintayab Posted November 2, 2010 Author Posted November 2, 2010 I have prepared from Army list................ Regards Shams
Jerry B Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 02/11/2010 at 04:26, sbintayab said: I have prepared from Army list................ Regards Shams Hi, what a great list, well done, really useful. You say from the army list, which one? its not in the dress regulations 1900.
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