Meybauer sub badge

[dond]

Opions please.

[dond]

The reverse.

[dond]

Pin up. Thanks in advance.

[dond]

43 views and not one opinion? C'mon guys, this is a discussion forum isn't it?

[avadski]

So let's break the silence. What about those bubbles on avers? Aren't these usually a result of casting? How were these badges made - cast or struck?

[avadski]

And another thought...I've just noticed different color under the pin. It could be attributed to oxidation which is a process that normally takes some time.

For me this oxidation is one of the many ways how to recognize a fake Bavarian Merit cross without Swords.

Swords usually interact somehow with the body of the cross and leave traces similar to those on your badge.

If, after 100 years, someone removed them from the cross it's usually easily recognizable thanks to the different level of oxidation.

Therefore it could be that your badge might have been out there for a longer period of time (e.g. decades). Of course unless someone found out how to partially 'oxidize' a medal.

So your badge has a 'plus' with me thanks to the oxidation and 'minus' thanks to the bubbles

But hey, I believe there's couple of experts here on the forum so let us hear their opinion.

Edited November 12, 2010 by avadski

[Tim B]

Don,

Thanks for posting this one. I didn't want to say anything here, but as I already commented on this one at WAF and see others have pinged on the same questions, I know I am not the only one with some of the same concerns.

Hopefully Gordon, Michel, Skip, Marcus to name a few, will see the thread and come in. They might be hanging out in the KM section, so a PM or pointer to this thread may help.

Tim :cheers:

[Robin Lumsden]

Not one I'd want.............detailing looks poor.

[Gordon Williamson]

Don,

For comparison, you can see a really nice original Meybauer U-Boat Badge belonging to Michel in this thread

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=19306&st=0&p=185968&hl=meybauer&fromsearch=1&#entry185968

[Chris Boonzaier]

Well... I must admit I was wanting and wanting to post I thought it looked good... but I was not sure and good thing I held my tongue.

I now see the problems pointed out and am happy I collect paper... :-)

[Gordon Williamson]

Well... I must admit I was wanting and wanting to post I thought it looked good... but I was not sure and good thing I held my tongue.

I now see the problems pointed out and am happy I collect paper... :-)

Actually, nothwithstanding the fact that it is in pretty rough condition, I think it probably IS a good piece. I've seen several good original WW1 U-Boat badges, including Schott marked pieces, with a lot of pock marking to the surface. Brass type alloys may not rust but they are not immune to corrosion.

This one isn't a patch on Michel's badge and it's not one I'd invest a lot of money in but I'm far from convinced that its bad.

[Chris Boonzaier]

Actually, nothwithstanding the fact that it is in pretty rough condition, I think it probably IS a good piece. I've seen several good original WW1 U-Boat badges, including Schott marked pieces, with a lot of pock marking to the surface. Brass type alloys may not rust but they are not immune to corrosion.

This one isn't a patch on Michel's badge and it's not one I'd invest a lot of money in but I'm far from convinced that its bad.

15 years ago I used to think myself up on good and bad as far as badges go... not having collected WW2 badges for ages and ages I find it astounding as to how fast you forget what you once knew, and how much the hobby progresses with knowlege and regresses with better copies....

10 years ago I would think "Yes!" or "No!".... nowdays I often think..... "ummmmmmm.... Maybe!" ;-)

[Robin Lumsden]

10 years ago I would think "Yes!" or "No!".... nowdays I often think..... "ummmmmmm.... Maybe!" ;-)

So..............the black skull's a 'maybe' now ???? :cheeky:

[Tim B]

I thought I would add more PIC's, weights, dimensions of Chris' badge here, but just linked the last page of the thread at WAF for ease. Hope that's okay?

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=420975&page=9

Hopefully the additional information will provide more determination one way or the other.

Tim :cheers:

[Gordon Williamson]

I'm afraid the link will be of very limited to those of us who aren't, or chose not to be, members of WAF as they won't see any images.

The dimensions, weight etc seem to be within the ball park for known originals which reinforces my thoughts that it is most likely a very worn original.

For what its worth I have seen so called "ground dug" original Kriegsmarine tombak badges whose finishes were corroded even worse than this badge.

[Tim B]

Hi Gordon,

That was my first thoughts on this badge when originally asking questions; either a cast of an original, or one that has been in less than favorable storage conditions over the years. We just don't see these Meybauer badges as much as the Schott examples, so hard to really get used to seeing ones that come along with all these little holes on the reverse.

I'll try to copy some PIC's that Chris posted over there as I'm sure he wants to know 100%.

Tim

[Tim B]

Don has already posted some good sized PIC's showing the front & back. Here's a closer shot the crown area.

[Tim B]

and the reverse with the maker's mark.

[Tim B]

Here's a comparison Chris did with another unmarked badge he got from Detlev sometime back. It appears to be an unmarked Meybauer with some cutouts.

I do see a lot of the same characteristics as far as softer detailing and rougher surface finish. Still, ??

Tim

[Gordon Williamson]

Tim,

Thanks for the additional pics. Reinforces my opinion, - a genuine, but (very) worn original.

[Tim B]

Thanks a lot Gordon!

I know Chris will be very happy to hear this confirmation! I'm happy to see it as well, and we have more knowledge on Meybauer badges and examples to compare with in the future.

Tim :beer:

[dond]

Thanks for the input guys.

[bifter]

Tim,

Thanks for the additional pics. Reinforces my opinion, - a genuine, but (very) worn original.

I like this one. it seems good, even without holding it. You guys have already given all the good points so i need not do so again!!!!