JapanX Posted November 26, 2012 Author Share Posted November 26, 2012 And another type 5 in 5th class (style of the kanji at the box lid is old ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dieter3 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Nick, What do you think about this one? Based on this thread, I'm going with Showa Type 7 - do you agree? No case to help out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted February 9, 2013 Author Share Posted February 9, 2013 Nick, What do you think about this one? Based on this thread, I'm going with Showa Type 7 - do you agree? No case to help out. Don't need one This is definitely type 7! And in a very nice condition I might add! Can I congratulate you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter3 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Well, only partially. I hate having things without cases and rosettes, I'm very much into "completeness", but I thought it too nice to pass up. The problem is knowing which case is appropriate for it, should one ever become available (not a replica one!) - assuming latest style of kanji in silver, or the gold predecessor to that. Still, no way of knowing and keeping 100% true. There was a gent selling a 5th Class wrapper and rosette only on eBay this past week. I thought about getting those, but passed them up. I contacted him and the rosette had no hallmarks, so I didn't know if it was repro or not. Thinking about it though, even if the rosette had a mark (I'd assume it would have been "SU"....), still no guarantees that it'd be a TRUE match. Oh well. I should just not worry about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted February 9, 2013 Author Share Posted February 9, 2013 Well, only partially. Grumbler! Congratulations! P.S. I think the box with the silver kanji on the lid will be the safest choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter3 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Grumbler! Congratulations! P.S. I think the box with the silver kanji on the lid will be the safest choice The Grumbler - My new nick-name? I like it, catchy! Thanks! And I would like to get a case to protect it at some point, so if a silver kanji one comes up, I'll try for that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aniki Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Hi, can you help me identify time frame of this set? And the rest. And another request for assessing the period of this kite please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 21 Author Share Posted January 21 Do you have general photos of reverses of both medal bars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aniki Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Here you go. I'd appreciate your insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 21 Author Share Posted January 21 All kites belong to the 1895-1910s time period. Second medal bar (with Dragon of Annam) looks very nice. First medal bar (with two kites) almost certainly a modern compilation /the "base" could be original by both kites were added later). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aniki Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Thank you Nick. To the group with two kites - do you tell it by the thickness of the yellow veines on the shields? I thought that the birds themselves are like showa. And to the 2nd bar - can it be that the recipient served to get both annam and Sawa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 21 Author Share Posted January 21 Both birdies are from Meiji era. Meiji Kite For example https://asiamedals.info/threads/5th-class-order-of-golden-kite-awarded-in-1906-to-army-second-lieutenant-yoshimi-masan-for-the-russo-japanese-war.26619/ Showa kite For example https://asiamedals.info/threads/4th-class-golden-kite-and-5th-class-rising-sun-orders-posthumously-awarded-in-1938-to-japanese-ace-ryohei-ushioda.27740/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aniki Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Ok, and the chance that the 2nd one is real? One more thing, have you made similar thread on recognizing sacred treasures from the exact periods? I remember the one on length of the vein on leaf in rising sun, very informative. Many thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TracA Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Hello Aniki, On this forum JapanX has a thread examining the time coordinates for flat reverse, four rivet reverse, and two screw reverse Sacred Treasures. See https://gmic.co.uk/topic/58229-sacred-treasures-with-flat-reversetwo-screws-reverse-when-this-change-occurred/#comment-541641 I've also seen reference to generalized dating of OSTs by the shape of the mirror. Hopefully JapanX will jump in on this. All the best, Tracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aniki Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Thanks Tracy, that's useful. I've found as well the other topic with mirrors you mentioned. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 21 hours ago, Aniki said: Ok, and the chance that the 2nd one is real? Chance is close to 100 percent. P.S. A little correction to an old thread that Tracy mentioned above. All "flat reverse" sacred treasures belong to the 1960s-1981 time period. Although there are documented groups with this order variation that are formally awarded in 1944 /and even in 1943/ but in fact they were all issued during early 1960s /post-war awardings/. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aniki Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Appreciate Nick as always. All best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TracA Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Nick, Thank you for posting the correction to the old thread. Good information. I've added it to my documentation. All the best, Tracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aniki Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 One more thing guys. I've asked about it some time ago,but maybe it just went unnoticed. Is there any proof that a soldier wore 2 lower kites, 6th and 7th together? R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 (edited) We don`t need any proof since it is inside the 1942 regulation. He was not obliged to wear both, but could wear both. Edited January 27 by JapanX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aniki Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I know, but I'm looking for a photo proof whether such situation existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TracA Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 I couldn’t resist jumping on this thread with my Golden Kite 5th Class. After reading this thread I’m confident that my example is a Type 7.1 Showa. The kanji on the case is silver. Tracy Obverse: Reverse: Close-up of the Kite: Case lid. The harsh light totally washed out the color of the kanji, but it is silver: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 Yes, it certainly is. This nice Kite was manufactured by the Mint during 1930s/early 1940s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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