Markus Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) Officially instituted in 1852 and called the Nishan-i-Ilmi (Order of the Arts and Sciences) as a reward artistic and scientific merit for those who had achieved success in their studies at the recently founded Polytechnic College of Tehran. Later converted to a full scale state order of merit for the advancement of learning and dissemination of knowledge by scientists, writers, educators, artists, etc. (Thank You James Hoard for this information!) According to an article written by Robert Macnamara in OMSA publication, This order had four classes, beginning with a copper medal, then an eight-pointed badge, in silver and in gilt, and a ten-pointed badge in gilt for first class. The upper classes in particular were more or less reserved for foreign professors, many from Vienna, who staffed the institution. Private collection. Edited January 27, 2012 by Markus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) Officially instituted in 1852 and called the Nishan-i-Ilmi (Order of the Arts and Sciences) as a reward artistic and scientific merit for those who had achieved success in their studies at the recently founded Polytechnic College of Tehran. Later converted to a full scale state order of merit for the advancement of learning and dissemination of knowledge by scientists, writers, educators, artists, etc. (Thank You James Hoard for this information.) According to an article written by Robert Macnamara in OMSA publication, This order had four classes, beginning with a copper medal, then an eight-pointed badge, in silver and in gilt, and a ten-pointed badge in gilt for first class. The upper classes in particular were more or less reserved for foreign professors, many from Vienna, who staffed the institution. A grouping of various types. Private Collection. Edited January 27, 2012 by Markus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) Officially instituted in 1852 and called the Nishan-i-Ilmi (Order of the Arts and Sciences) as a reward artistic and scientific merit for those who had achieved success in their studies at the recently founded Polytechnic College of Tehran. Later converted to a full scale state order of merit for the advancement of learning and dissemination of knowledge by scientists, writers, educators, artists, etc. (Thank You James Hoard for this information.) According to an article written by Robert Macnamara in OMSA publication, This order had four classes, beginning with a copper medal, then an eight-pointed badge, in silver and in gilt, and a ten-pointed badge in gilt for first class. The upper classes in particular were more or less reserved for foreign professors, many from Vienna, who staffed the institution. Spada Collection, exhibited in The Legion of Honor Museum Paris France. Edited January 27, 2012 by Markus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) Officially instituted in 1852 and called the Nishan-i-Ilmi (Order of the Arts and Sciences) as a reward artistic and scientific merit for those who had achieved success in their studies at the recently founded Polytechnic College of Tehran. Later converted to a full scale state order of merit for the advancement of learning and dissemination of knowledge by scientists, writers, educators, artists, etc. (Thank You James Hoard for this information!) According to an article written by Robert Macnamara in OMSA publication, This order had four classes, beginning with a copper medal, then an eight-pointed badge, in silver and in gilt, and a ten-pointed badge in gilt for first class. The upper classes in particular were more or less reserved for foreign professors, many from Vienna, who staffed the institution. Another school was founded at the same time as the Polytechnic College of Tehran, The Dar al-Funun military academy. This medal with military style of Lion and Sun with sword could have been related to the military accademy. This medal was in it's original Halley Lasne box. Markus collection. Edited February 9, 2012 by Markus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) Officially instituted in 1852 and called the Nishan-i-Ilmi (Order of the Arts and Sciences) as a reward artistic and scientific merit for those who had achieved success in their studies at the recently founded Polytechnic College of Tehran. Later converted to a full scale state order of merit for the advancement of learning and dissemination of knowledge by scientists, writers, educators, artists, etc. (Thank You James Hoard for this information!) According to an article written by Robert Macnamara in OMSA publication, This order had four classes, beginning with a copper medal, then an eight-pointed badge, in silver and in gilt, and a ten-pointed badge in gilt for first class. The upper classes in particular were more or less reserved for foreign professors, many from Vienna, who staffed the institution. Another school was founded at the same time as the Polytechnic College of Tehran, The Dar al-Funun military academy. This medal with military style of Lion and Sun with sword could have been related to the military accademy. Markus collection. Close up of the medallion. Edited February 9, 2012 by Markus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Dane Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 I have posted this before, but it seems to fit the thread nicely Recipient is unknown, apart from "railroad engineer, working in Persia"... /Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 Very nice Michael! Seems like the proper ribbon would be a red ribbon and along the way sometime a dealer replaced my example with a green ribbon. I like the officer ribbon on yours. Quite a nice medal bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hoard Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Officially instituted in 1852 and called the Nishan-i-Ilmi (Order of the Arts and Sciences) as a reward artistic and scientific merit for those who had achieved success in their studies at the recently founded Polytechnic College of Tehran. Later converted to a full scale state order of merit for the advancement of learning and dissemination of knowledge by scientists, writers, educators, artists, etc. (Thank You James Hoard for this information.) According to an article written by Robert Macnamara in OMSA publication, This order had four classes, beginning with a copper medal, then an eight-pointed badge, in silver and in gilt, and a ten-pointed badge in gilt for first class. The upper classes in particular were more or less reserved for foreign professors, many from Vienna, who staffed the institution. Spada Collection, exhibited in The Legion of Honor Museum Paris France. I remember reading once that the Military War College in Tehran had a decoration for its students and professors, a military counterpart for the civil decoration at the Polytechnic. But I have never found any further information about it, what became of it or if it also eventually morphed into an official state decoration. Perhaps this decoration with the standing lion holding sword is actually the War College decoration, rather than the Nishan-i-Ilmi. Again, I think we can forget the green ribbon. More dealer's 'hocus-pocus'. Cheers, James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Again, I think we can forget the green ribbon. More dealer's 'hocus-pocus'. I see you are deadly serious about this "replacement hypothesis" James :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Please welcome green ribbon specimen. Close relative of this one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Obverse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Reverse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 If not "identical", then darn close to it ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 And now companion piece for standing lion with superimposed crown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Clearly marked speciment with at least one french mark (800). My guess it`s our old friend Arthus Bertrand work. Let`s compare it with another specimen from above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IMHF Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 There is a small piece online that I was looking at can you share some information about it. Order of Humayun Arthus Bertrand, I wonder if the ribbon is correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 (edited) At last!!! It`s about time for us to see some unified examples of lion and sun order P.S. This post was a remark to my post 17 ;) Edited January 29, 2012 by JapanX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 There is a small piece online that I was looking at can you share some information about it. Order of Humayun Arthus Bertrand, I wonder if the ribbon is correct? Yep. You are right. This is Arthus Bertrand. After 1925 type of order and ribbon. Ribbon is correct one. I am planing to create a thread completely dovoted to these Bertrand lions Cheers, Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IMHF Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 There is a small piece online that I was looking at can you share some information about it. Order of Humayun Arthus Bertrand, I wonder if the ribbon is correct? Image of the reverse: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Some additional pieces A low quality miniature? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Another specimen on green ribbon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hoard Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I see you are deadly serious about this "replacement hypothesis" James It is perfectly obvious what happened here. Like you, the dealer originally had no idea that this was a distinct decoration. He saw the lion and sun motif, assumed it was part of that order, so added a green ribbon. Cheers, James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 It is perfectly obvious what happened here. Like you, the dealer originally had no idea that this was a distinct decoration. He saw the lion and sun motif, assumed it was part of that order, so added a green ribbon. Cheers, James Of course James, all these dealers - they all just like me... And it is obvious of course. 24/7 they are busy with replacement process. Everything that is not green was destroyed. And this green ribbons ... I guess there was some manufacturer to satisfy this dealer demand? Cheers, Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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