Need help with Police Officer Breaststar

[JT1959]

Gentlemen, please help me with this one.

I collect mainly awards from WWII, but this one I know nothing about and I would like some info.

How old can it be, and it is rare? It is marked with Pat. 2383012 on the back

Or in the worst case, is it just a copy?

Regards from Norway

JT

[JT1959]

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[Adrob]

From the pin, it looks to me as a fake!! What are the hallmarks [maker name ] ?

[JT1959]

Hi Adrob,

There is no hallmarks, only: Pat. 2383012

Regards

JT

[Mervyn Mitton]

JT - I agree with Adrob - it does look a bit 'tinny' and not quite right. However, having said that it bears

a number and is probably more then a toy. I seem to remember, some time ago - that US Forces in Europe

had a type of badge for Police Duties. Also, this is stamped in English. Do you think it could have had anything to

do with WW2 ? Mervyn

[JT1959]

The star is heavy and the metal is thick (it only looks thin from the picture, but it is due to striking of the text). I have no idea of ​​age. The star came from a collection of police brands sold by an American police officer to a Swede once in the 70's.

Is it possible to trace the Pat.number ?

Regards

JT

[JT1959]

_{It is a United States Patent: 2383012}

_{Issue date: August 21, 1945}

_{Current U.S.Class: 24/708}

_{Current International Class:} A44B 9/18 (20060101); A44B 9/00 (20060101)

This is the info I find on the Patent Database, but no photo or clue what it is.

Regards

JT

[Mervyn Mitton]

JT - that is a puzzle - why would anyone want to patent a basic star with the wording this one has ? I'm

sure that all of the papers could be looked up - would probably need expert help. Perhaps the patent is for the

metal ? Can't - surely - be for the pin ?

[JT1959]

Thank you all for helping me

Perhaps you gave a good tip there Mervyn..... The pin

The disign of the needlehook is of the modern type, but still more powerful and solid than those found on new badges. Possibly this was a new design in 1946 and therefore paternted ?

I dont know................

[Mervyn Mitton]

Seeing your picture of the pin JT - it probably was the subject of the patent. Still leaves us the mystery of

who was the user ? Mervyn

[Ulsterman]

I think it's a US Police Department generic badge. The constables' # was 22. It could be anybodys' badge- from PC Smith of Alligator, Texas to Trooper Rechaumbaud of the Portland, Maine PD. Definitively US though- and similar badges are still issued by some towns and cities. Most today however, prefer the "fancy bling".

these are also heavily faked I might add. Have a look on eBay Europe. They are illegal (purportedly) to sell here in the USA.

[JT1959]

Thank you for the feedback Ulsterman.

Regards JT

[ocpd71]

JT - the pin is a dead giveaway as a fake. Badges of the period from when the simple "pie plate" style star shaped badges were used, almost invariably use the saddle type catch for the pin. And also, the pin and catch would be welded directly to the badge. Maybe the pin is a replacement, but it does not appear authentic...