Graf Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Hi, I have these Two EK1 in my collection for some time. I collect mostly WW1 Ek1 and Ek2, however i have few EK1 and Ek2 in my collection from 1939 period For most of my EK1 from 1939 period i am sure that they are original. However I need help for these two EK1 - Ek1 with rounded 3 I bought it long time ago from a dealer as an Original -EK1 Schinkel Type also from a dealer, however Lately I have found out that he sells a lot of repro as originals. I need also help for this 4th Class of the German Eagle it is marked on the pin 21 and 900 Thanks for your comments in advance. Regards Graf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 The Schinkel Type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 The Rounded 3 bigger picture of the reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 The German Eagle 4th Class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 more pics of rounded 3 -obverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 Rounded 3 -reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 Schinkel -obverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 Schinkel -reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 The Schinkle is a Deumer. Can you post straight on pictures of the round 3 an bigger. Pictures taken at an angle and small does not give enough to determine if it is good or bad. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 Hi Jimm, Thanks I have restriction for the size i took better pics This is Rounded 3 -front view regards Graf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 Hi It does not look better Any way this is the back of Rounded 3 Regards Graf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 Schinke-l front vew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 Again, not a good result This is the back of Schinkel regards Graf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 Hi JIm R. If you click on the pictures It will zoom the image If it is not good Iwill try to get better ones This is the 4th Class of the German Eagle- front view Regards Graf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 This is the back These are pics taken from a Dealer site However my $th Class is identical to this one Graf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Graf, if you don't own these two pass on both, if you do send them back. The round 3 has an original Deumer core but put into a new frame. The Schinkle is a Latavian fake that closely resembles a Deschler. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted April 8, 2012 Author Share Posted April 8, 2012 Hi Jim, Thank you for the mail. Well.... both are mine and i have to keep them since i bought them over 5-6 years ago, the period when i started collecting. I am not surprised about the Schinkel EK I have suspected it all the time. Well, the dealer is gone He is the one who sold me the 4th Class of the Germa Eagle, which I also suspedt that it is a good fake I Regarding the Round 3 Ek I am a little bit upset, because I did hope that it could be an original one. Why did the bother to use Original core with a new frame. What has happened with the original frame? It is soldered very nicely and there is no signg for resoldering or tempering.of the frame or the pin .. only the pin is assembled in a wrong way,,however I have seen this with originals from well known makers. I will put all of them in my "experience" drawer with few more things i bought during this novice period.That is a period with minefields for any beginer. All dodgy dealers like to pray on them. I can reassure you that I have not spent I fortune for them and at that time I believed that I had the bargain of the century. I keep away from 1939 EKs ,unless the dealer is with a very good reputation and the EK is very well known Kind regards Graf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Graf. Post pictures before you buy this way you will find out if it is original. I have an L/10 screwback that was sold as original but the core had been changed out. I suspect it was because someone denatizied the crosss as the inner corners show damage. We live and learn everyday. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted April 8, 2012 Author Share Posted April 8, 2012 Hi Jim, Thank you for the advice I got these two "rare' birds long before I was a member I was tricked into buying them only because I saw similar ones sold on "reputable" dealers sites for much more then I paid at the time Later on i found out that some deales knowingly or not sell repros as originals. I will post pictures if i decide to buy new 1939 EKs I like the the Club because i can share information with other memebers ..and get advice as well. Regards Graf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted April 9, 2012 Author Share Posted April 9, 2012 Hi, more pics of EK with round 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted April 9, 2012 Author Share Posted April 9, 2012 One more on the back Graf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted April 14, 2012 Author Share Posted April 14, 2012 Hi Jum. Thank you for the advice The Eks are back whre they belong with the dealer, Buyers/Mmembers beware they will be back on the market. Graf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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