JapanX Posted June 8, 2012 Posted June 8, 2012 This is silver medal for zeal. Issued during reign of of Nickolay II. http://www.medals.org.uk/russia/imperial/imperial-russia018.htm
Claudius Posted June 8, 2012 Posted June 8, 2012 This is silver medal for zeal. Issued during reign of of Nickolay II. http://www.medals.or...l-russia018.htm Is this example legit?
JapanX Posted June 8, 2012 Posted June 8, 2012 Is this example legit? Yep. This is частник / private workshop. Unknown maker В.А. (one could still see these initials at the bottom of obverse). Diameter 28 mm. I'd say this piece was made in 1916. Regards, Nick
JapanX Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 Help! Is this example legit? Hmmm... Nice manners! No wonder many questions remain unanswered
Claudius Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 Hmmm... Nice manners! No wonder many questions remain unanswered Are you suggesting that usairforce and I are lacking manners in the way we present our questions? I can’t speak on usairforce’s account but as for myself I will offer my sincere apologies if the style and abruptness of my question was wholly bereft of proper respect and manners. It was certainly not my intention to disrespect the medal or the person who owns it by the brevity of my question. Rather, I wanted to succinctly and quickly get the heart of the question that I arrived at upon seeing this medal in its present state of wear. It was a supposition of mine that the medal received an artificial buffing in order to look older than it really was. I had entertained mentioning how I thought the wear was uneven and is performed on fake medals to both look old and hide poor castings details, but I didn’t want to attract attention to something unless other members also thought the wear was a significant feature. I could have said all of this…or I could have spared everyone the electrons to form these letters and just said; “Is this example legit?” BTW: At the risk of displaying more bad manners, thank you for your informed response (post #4). I did learn something new that I didn’t know before.
JapanX Posted June 13, 2012 Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) It's not the brevitas of questions dear Claudius- it's the style of responses I was talking about The last time I checked - this simple rule was still holding (among more or less gentlemanly persons of course) "question - answer - response (at least do you agree or not)" Instead we have "question - aswer - silence .........." It's not that I was mortally wounded by this, but I believe that Id facere laus est, quod decet, non quod licet As for this medal - I am not its owner (I don't collect remnants ) In general I really regret that I responded to this thread which was started by such uncouth and ignorant person as usaiforce. This is of course (judging by his past and current threads) his typical communication style. Regards, Nick P.S. Thanks for your detailed response P.P.S. O tempora! O mores! :lol: Edited June 14, 2012 by JapanX
Claudius Posted June 14, 2012 Posted June 14, 2012 OK. I think I understand what you are saying Nick, but correct me if I’m wrong. With the posting of questions the protocol should be; 1) Question….2) Answer…..3) Response(such as thank you). To your question -yes I agree. It is this last part, number 3, that is often missing and is so aggravating. I know that when I originate a thread I try to respond to the comments, questions and overall appreciative statements. (I do say “try”. In the future I will be more concensious to see that I always respond.) On this thread, since I only made a single post I read your answer with acknowledgement but didn’t respond. (my error) I had thought usairforce was going to eventually provide a follow-up. But, if as you say, it is common for usairforce to not to respond, then I can understand your displeasure and why you don’t like to respond to his posts. As for me, I am glad you shared your knowledge because, as I said, I learned something I didn’t know before. Again, thank you. Regarding manners; You are either quoting from Cicero or the Bard. From my own school days I recall what Socrates opined about. I found the quote; “Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.” He lived in the “460’s” but the same could have been said about the 1960’s AD (and today). Regarding this medal; Res Ipsa Loquitur.
JapanX Posted June 14, 2012 Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) I always was a fan of Seneca (his "Ethicus epistolae" is one of my favorite books ) dear Claudius. My quote is from his "Octavia", 466. Although in "Trojans", 343 he put it even better: Quod non vetat lex, hoc vetat fieri pudor Thank you for your highly interesting and erudite (your Latin is indeed impressive!) response. I completely agree with all your interpretations and really glad that my comment was more or less informative As for "He lived in the “460’s” but the same could have been said about the 1960’s AD (and today)" I believe the same could be applied to any time period. Unfortunately ... "Res Ipsa Loquitur" - it certainly is Vale et mihi faveas (old school latinus guys should stick together ) Best, Nick Edited June 14, 2012 by JapanX
TacHel Posted June 15, 2012 Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) I took 3 long boring years of Latin... It is the only subject my brain completely flushed out upon graduation. Edited June 15, 2012 by TacHel
JapanX Posted June 15, 2012 Posted June 15, 2012 At least they allowed you to keep this beatiful antique set of armour! Looking good Frank
Claudius Posted June 15, 2012 Posted June 15, 2012 I always was a fan of Seneca (his "Ethicus epistolae" is one of my favorite books ) dear Claudius. My quote is from his "Octavia", 466. Although in "Trojans", 343 he put it even better: Quod non vetat lex, hoc vetat fieri pudor Thank you for your highly interesting and erudite (your Latin is indeed impressive!) response. I completely agree with all your interpretations and really glad that my comment was more or less informative As for "He lived in the "460's" but the same could have been said about the 1960's AD (and today)" I believe the same could be applied to any time period. Unfortunately ... "Res Ipsa Loquitur" - it certainly is Vale et mihi faveas (old school latinus guys should stick together ) Best, Nick You are correct Nick. The ancient literature has much to fascinate us (as being so different) and yet also be altogether relevant to us today. Quod non vetat lex, hoc vetat fieri pudor –I had forgotten that phrase! No doubt because as high school boys we had no interest in being modest about our accomplishments. We had so little to be modest about, but we were certainly going to leverage all of it to attract the girls! Thank you for the complement, however while weeks ago I made a Recent Status Update on GMIC that; “At least my Latin is better... (than my children) it is only because they don’t know any. I must confess that I have not retained all that I once knew. Darn right! Old-school guys should stick together!
usairforce Posted June 15, 2012 Author Posted June 15, 2012 Sorry, my english is very bad, so i only use google translate to look your repay and post new topic .
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