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    Cool. it makes sense that this would be some sort of dR or war volunteer /specialist in Togoland but not a regular, so no LS. I had originally assumed navy as those NCOs/ deck officers got AEZs ( so did regular army )NCOs for merit whereas Schutztrppn seem to have received the prussian military medal. I figured some sort of Schnalle.

    1894/5 was a horrific genocidal campaign and as near as I can tell, no navy units really qualified for the bar for service in country..

    On the colonial website Captain Albert states that the bar was a Weimar era purchase, which makes sense.

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    Ok :) I am so thankful to the Phaleristics Academy of Portugal, they have provided a list of recipients from 1894 to 1910 (the only time recipients from Germany were awarded in the 1920s was in 1927 and all Navy so most likely the recipient for this medal bar could not have come from that time :)

    I requested to be able to share the list publicly and it was accepted. The Academy requested that if it is possible to rectify some of the names of the recipients, (some recipients just have family names), if the experts here on the forum could dig these recipients out it would be amazing :) so the full name could be provided in the listings :)

    Here is the listing, I hope it would be easier now to narrow down a possible recipient for this Medal Bar?

    I will post an English version tomorrow, getting late here :) but I already see a couple names that aren't regular army or navy that might be a possible:

    Decreto de 6 de Dezembro de 1895 (D.G. 285, 1895)

    Cavaleiro

    Graf von Schönborn-Wiesentheid, Capitão, Ajudante-de-campo do Chanceler Alemão

    Wilhelm Eugen Joseph Kalm, Capitão do Exército Alemão

    Richard Hofricter, Capitão do Exército Alemão

    Joseph Karl Emmanuel Alexander Münstermann, Capitão do Exército Alemão

    Heinrich Rudolph von Cuckvort, Capitão do Exército Alemão

    Sterne Walter von Mombary, Capitão do Exército Alemão

    Otto von Pluskow, Capitão do Exército Alemão

    Carl von Bodien, Capitão do Exército Alemão

    Carta Régia de 1 de Janeiro de 1896 (D.G. 6, 1896)

    Cavaleiro

    Johannes Hann, Tenente da Marinha de guerra Imperial Alemã

    Karl Tagert, Tenente da Marinha de guerra Imperial Alemã

    Decreto de 6 de Junho de 1896 (D.G. 132, 1896)

    Cavaleiro

    Konrad Wilhelm Gustav Herman, Graf Finck von Finckenstein, Capitão do 1º Regimento de Infantaria da Guarda Imperial do Exército Imperial Alemão

    Decreto de 25 de Novembro de 1897 (D.G. 278, 1897)

    Cavaleiro

    Adolf von Drebber, Tenente de Artilharia do Exército Imperial Alemão

    Decreto de 12 de Maio de 1898 (D.G. 107, 1898)

    Cavaleiro

    Arthur Freiherr von Luthvitz, Capitão do Exército Alemão

    Carta Régia de 26 de Maio de 1898 (D.G. 124, 1898)

    Cavaleiro

    Scheunemann, 1º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Reinhold Fischer, 1º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Stilzel, 1º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Bunnemam, 1º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Freiherr von Ledebur, 2º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Ritter von Waechter, 2º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Robertson, 2º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Von Bodecker, 2º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Fritz Schmidt, 2º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Ernst Hoffmam, 2º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Dr. Wentel, Médico da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Dr. Schacht, Médico da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Stiegel, Maquinista da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Grieb, Comissário da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Carta Régia de 15 de Junho de 1899 (D.G. 138, 1899)

    Cavaleiro

    Bossart, Capitão-Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Werthmann, Capitão-Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Pindter, Capitão-Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Wachsmann, Almoxarife Mor da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Graf von Posadowsky, Tenente de 1ª classe da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Carta Régia de 13 de Agosto de 1899 (D.G. 209, 1899)

    Cavaleiro

    Mersmann, 1º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Decreto de 27 de Setembro de 1899 (D.G. 237, 1899)

    Cavaleiro

    Von Weise, Capitão do Exército Alemão, Adido Militar da Alemanha em Lisboa

    Decreto de 31 de Maio de 1900 (D.G. 126, 1900)

    Cavaleiro

    Friedrich Franz Max Ahlers, Capitão do Regimento de Fuzileiros da Guarda Alemã

    Decreto de 12 de Março de 1901 (D.G. 59, 1901)

    Cavaleiro

    Von Funcke, Capitão do 2º Regimento de Infantaria da Guarda do Exército Alemão

    Decreto de 17 de Setembro de 1904 (D.G. 214, 1904)

    Cavaleiro

    Philippe Lougard, Capitão de Infantaria de Reserva do Exército Alemão, Autoridade Superior Administrativa de Sigmaringen

    Carta Régia de 18 de Maio de 1905 (D.G. 119, 1905)

    Cavaleiro

    Von Hass, Tenente da Marinha de guerra Alemã

    Decreto de 10 de Agosto de 1905 (D.G. 183, 1905)

    Cavaleiro

    Konrad Wagler, Capitão de Infantaria do Exército Alemão

    Von Penskoro, Capitão de Infantaria do Exército Alemão

    Decreto de 31 de Janeiro de 1906 (D.G. 29 e 43, 1906)

    Cavaleiro

    H. Köhler, Tenente do Exército Alemão

    Decreto de 26 de Abril de 1906 (D.G. 97, 1906)

    Cavaleiro

    Graf La Rosée, Oficial do Exército da Baviera (Bayern)

    Decreto de 27 de Junho de 1908 (D.G. 157, 1908)

    Cavaleiro

    Von Brause, 1º Tenente do 20º Regimento de Infantaria de linha Graf Tauentzein von Wittenberg, do Exército da Prússia

    Decreto de 30 de Dezembro de 1908 (D.G. 4, 1909)

    Cavaleiro

    Bronsort Schellendarff, Capitão do Exército alemão e A­dido militar de Sua Majestade o Imperador da Alemanha.

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    Hello,

    I hoped that one of these guys:

    Stiegel, Maquinista da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha
    Grieb, Comissário da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    would be the owner of the mentionend medal bar but nobody of them served in Togo between 1890 and 1894. So no match

    By the way Stiegel was "Marine-Ingenieur". In 1902 (Marine-Stabsingenieur (Patent: 10th April 1899) he had: RAO4, KO4, PBd´A3 and RSt3

    And now? May be an ROA4 instead an AEZ? In that case I researched for those mentioned officers and had the following results:

    These officers had another combinations of awards:

    Johannes Hann, Tenente da Marinha de guerra Imperial Alemã

    Konrad Wilhelm Gustav Herman, Graf Finck von Finckenstein, Capitão do 1º Regimento de Infantaria da Guarda Imperial do Exército Imperial Alemão
    CavaleiroAdolf von Drebber, Tenente de Artilharia do Exército Imperial Alemão

    Scheunemann, 1º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha
    Reinhold Fischer, 1º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha
    Stilzel, 1º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha
    Bunnemam, 1º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da AlemanhaRitter von Waechter, 2º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Ritter von Waechter, 2º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Von Bodecker, 2º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Dr. Wentel, Médico da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Pindter, Capitão-Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Wachsmann, Almoxarife Mor da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Graf von Posadowsky, Tenente de 1ª classe da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Mersmann, 1º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Von Hass, Tenente da Marinha de guerra Alemã

    Bossart, Capitão-Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Friedrich Franz Max Ahlers, Capitão do Regimento de Fuzileiros da Guarda Alemã

    Von Funcke, Capitão do 2º Regimento de Infantaria da Guarda do Exército Alemão

    Konrad Wagler, Capitão de Infantaria do Exército Alemão

    H. Köhler, Tenente do Exército Alemão

    Von Brause, 1º Tenente do 20º Regimento de Infantaria de linha Graf Tauentzein von Wittenberg, do Exército da Prússia

    Officers who had RAO4 and PBd´A3 but were not in Togo (so no colonial medal with clasp Togo 1894/95) or couldn´t find the person in the "Rangliste"/ "Marine-Rangliste", "bay. Militärhandbuch 1911" and also not in the "DKB" between 1890 and 1894 (so no participants of the expedition in Togo in 1894/95):

    Graf von Schönborn-Wiesentheid, Capitão, Ajudante-de-campo do Chanceler Alemão
    Wilhelm Eugen Joseph Kalm, Capitão do Exército Alemão
    Richard Hofricter, Capitão do Exército Alemão
    Joseph Karl Emmanuel Alexander Münstermann, Capitão do Exército Alemão
    Heinrich Rudolph von Cuckvort, Capitão do Exército Alemão
    Sterne Walter von Mombary, Capitão do Exército Alemão
    Otto von Pluskow, Capitão do Exército Alemão
    Carl von Bodien, Capitão do Exército Alemão

    Freiherr von Ledebur, 2º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha
    Robertson, 2º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Fritz Schmidt, 2º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Ernst Hoffmam, 2º Tenente da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Dr. Schacht, Médico da Marinha de guerra da Alemanha

    Von Weise, Capitão do Exército Alemão, Adido Militar da Alemanha em Lisboa

    Philippe Lougard, Capitão de Infantaria de Reserva do Exército Alemão, Autoridade Superior Administrativa de Sigmaringen

    Bronsort Schellendarff, Capitão do Exército alemão e A­dido militar de Sua Majestade o Imperador da Alemanha.

    Von Penskoro, Capitão de Infantaria do Exército Alemão

    Graf La Rosée, Oficial do Exército da Baviera (Bayern)

    Still no match :banger: Is the portuguese order of Aviz replaced???

    More questions and no solution :unsure:

    We have to know who were the participants of the expedition in Togo in 1894/95. Maybe anyone else has more infos?

    Best wishes

    Karsten

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    Hello Karsten,

    Thank you so much for looking through the list :D Is it possible that there could be a combination between any of these in the list that could have accounted for this medal bar?

    From the information provided, I believe the Avis is a replacement piece for a Kingdom order. This really points the medal bar being made around 1919 or later, when this version of Avis was introduced (assuming we assume the Avis is correct here) If the recipient received the Avis in 1894-1910 then he would have had to switch the Crown Avis with the republic version in the 20s if anything else, to not offend Portugal in the proper procedure for wearing the order.

    We know that the campaign medal was instituted after 1910s, so the medal bar is either made in 1912 (or sometime there in as Daniel suggested) or in the 1920s ( with the Avis as a replacement)

    I think if we had a list of these Polizeitruppen (only they were eligible for the 1894/95 clasp) then it would be mystery solved :D as Karsten suggested :)

    It arrived yesterday and I'd like to share the front photo I've taken :) it is such a beautiful medal bar, you cannot see the true beauty in photos and have to handle one of these pieces up close, new appreciation of these amazing Bars :) and many Thanks to Captain Albert for being able to purchase this beautiful bar from him :)

    DSCN8591_zps67e2ea5e.jpg

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    Sorry to bring up this thread a bit, but any chance of finding the recipient? I have a zilch in luck for searching German records (and probably what info. I do have access to isn't enough)

    Would anyone be able to suggest a recipient from the list above that may be suitable/ another source to look into?

    Thank you,

    Igor :)

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    Hmm hate to bring this up again, but would love to find the recipient, got the list, explored some options but nothing seems ok atm. Any ideas fellas? would appreciate your assistance :)

     

    Just a bit more fuel to the info. fire.

    From the bay on a guide to Togo Clasps, here is the info for the 1894/95 clasp and suggested reading is:
    Schanz, Moritz West-Afrika (Berlin, 1903).  does anyone have this book in their library?

     

    The author of the guide wrote:

    The clasp TOGO 1894/95 was awarded mainly to Togo Police Troops for enforcing the general security of the Togo Hinterland from January 1894 to December 1895.  This clasp was awarded only to African Imperial German Colonial Police Troops (mainly Hausas and a few Fanti) but there appears to be a number of Europeans and Africans who were attached.  Less than 750 Togo Police Troops were authorized this clasp and possibly half  received the TOGO 1894/95 clasp in 1912. A very large number of the recipients of TOGO 1894/95 were also authorized TOGO 1895

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    I can't post after the quote above, so to sum up, we know that the purchase has to definitely be a Weimer era purchase if what the author of the guide is correct. could be from 1912 onward.

     

    He has to be, or have been an African Imperial Colonial Police Troop (Hausas or Fanti, European or possibly African Descent)

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