Austria-Hungary Austro-Hungarian gerbirgsjager cap, Karl era, and strap

[The Prussian]

Yes, but there stands "Zum Teil" (partly). I thought, you had a more acacurate source

[KMB]

So Prussian and Württemberg Gebirgs Artillery had red piping on their Bergmützen while Bavarian Gebirgs Artillery had black piping on their Bergmützen?

[The Prussian]

Kraus said, the black piping came in may 22, 1915

[KMB]

I believe May 1915 was when Gebirgs Artillery got their Bergmützen

[The Prussian]

Right, mate!

[bcalkins]

I have been following this interesting conversation. So am I to understand that there were Prussian troops that wore a Bergmütze? I knew of course about the Württemberg and Bavarian mountain/ski troops...but Prussian also? Please tell me more!!!

[The Prussian]

Hello!

Yes, of course. Some prussian units wore the mountain-uniforms during the battles in East-Prussia and the Carpathians.

Most of the caps were made in Bavaria, so I don´t know, which piping-colour they had. 5000 caps were sent to Heeresgruppe Eichhorn and later 6000 caps for Finland

[KMB]

There were Prussian Gebirgs Artillery units that wore them. One of the Bataillons in the 3rd JR Rgt was Prussian, they too wore them. Prussia had a good number of Gebirgs units.

Prussia had atleast 2-3 units of these types -> Gebirgs Artillery, Gebirgs MW, Gebirgs MG. 

@The Prussian Green for the 3rd JR Rgt, red as you said above for Gebirgs Artillery. I was told Gebirgs MG (Minus the 2 komps in the W.G.B) and Gebirgs MW didn't wear Bergmützen

Edited May 4, 2017 by KMB

[bcalkins]

Thank you for the information. Very interesting.

Here are three very nice pics. Unfortunately I don't own any of these caps!

 

[Bayern]

Hello : Nigel Thomas and Ramiro Bujeiro saids : The 21 Mountain Artillery ,15 Prussian , two of Wurttemberg and four Bavarian were grouped into six bataillons . On 21 january 1916 Prussian and Bavarian replaced their M 1914 field grey ski caps with standard field artillery headgear . also saids that Wurttemberg batteries wore the M1914 ski litewka with black collar piping and field grey shoulder straps with black unit insignia . 

[KMB]

Those first 2 are nice, but something odd..I thought Württemberg Bergmütze only had wool visors..Since they are private purchased models, anything is possible! Maybe they had a 3rd option, black leather, grey leather and wool unlike Bavaria and Prussia where they had black and grey visor.

Edited May 5, 2017 by KMB

[The Prussian]

I´d like to show my mountain-photos

1) bavarian Mountain-Artillery (GA = Gebirgsartillerie)

2) Schneeschuh-Bataillon Nr.3 (collar numnber!)

3) Musiscians of Schneeschuh-Bataillon 3

4) Schneeschuh-Ersatz-Abteilung with Windjacke (Windcheater)

5) unknown unit

6) württemberg. Ersatz-Gebirgs-MG-Zug

7) württemberg. Gebirgs-Regiment

8) Post-War

Edited May 6, 2017 by The Prussian

[KMB]

Anyone else have photos of Bergmützen they could share? They are neat caps

[Bayern]

On 6/5/2017 at 02:04, The Prussian said:

I´d like to show my mountain-photos

1) bavarian Mountain-Artillery (GA = Gebirgsartillerie)

2) Schneeschuh-Bataillon Nr.3 (collar numnber!)

3) Musiscians of Schneeschuh-Bataillon 3

4) Schneeschuh-Ersatz-Abteilung with Windjacke (Windcheater)

5) unknown unit

6) württemberg. Ersatz-Gebirgs-MG-Zug

7) württemberg. Gebirgs-Regiment

8) Post-War

The men in this photo are soldiers of the Weimar Reichswehr.

[The Prussian]

Yes! Like I wrote: 8) Post-war.

I´d like to know something about the cap and breast badge of the man in the middle...

Any ideas?

 

[Bayern]

22 hours ago, The Prussian said:

Yes! Like I wrote: 8) Post-war.

I´d like to know something about the cap and breast badge of the man in the middle...

Any ideas?

 

Perhaps he is a bergfuhrer , a civilian one . The Weimar Army officially not was permitted Mountain units , but  in practice these units existed . one was a Infantry Bataillon located in Goslar whose chief one time resulted to be certain Erwin Rommel .

[The Prussian]

Hello!

Never heard, that Rommel was in Goslar...

Aftre armistice he went back to his home-company in Weingarten (Christmas 1918). In march 1919 he commanded the "Sicherheits-Kompagnie 32" in Friedrichshafen; in june 1919 he became commander of Schtz.Rgt.25.

1919 and 1920 he was in Lindau, Münsterland and Westfalia.

1924-1929 he served with 13th Inf.Rgt.

No mention, he served in Goslar

 

 

Edited October 23, 2020 by The Prussian

[bcalkins]

I found this cap....it sold recently in a Czerny's auction. I wish I had seen it before the auction date!!! Anyway, it is a nice example of the cloth visored style.  Enjoy!

[Bayern]

the Prussian , take a look to the book Rommel of Brigadier Young. 

Rommel was from April 1932 as Major,commander of the third Bataillon of the 17th Infantry Regiment ,a Mountain Unit stationed in Goslar . 

[The Prussian]

Opps, I´m sorry. You´re right!!!! But it was very late...(1933-1935)

[Bayern]

In fact was decisive point of his career , When he was given the command in 1932 Hitler was not Chancellor , In September of 1934 Hitler paid a visit to Goslar , Rommels Bataillon was in charge of  the honours and security.or so thought Rommel . with great disgust he received the notification that the security wil be per count of the SS , He went to a local hotel were Goebbels and Himmler were taking breakfast and expressed his convictions . They gave him the reason and as it was as Rommel called the Attention of Hitler for first time