Marcin L Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Hi All, I would like to ask you kindly to identify the awards and maybe the rank? I can't handle :-| Kind regards, Marcin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) Bavarian Major with Bavarian Military Merit Order 4th Class (BMV4), Bavarian 1905 Luitpold Jubilee Medal, Prussian Red Eagle Order 4th Class (RAO4), Bavarian army XXIV Years Service Cross. Edited August 4, 2013 by Rick Research Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcin L Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 Thank you very much! I will research on the units from Metz. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Is there a DATE year stamped into the front of the photo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcin L Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 No, no date stamped. Just Charles Rhein, Metz (photograph I guess). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 K.B. Inf Rgt 8-- if this was circa 1913, that would be major Ludwig Käfferlein from the awards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcin L Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 Hmm don't know what to say. Thanks? Please copy your knowledge somewhere, Rick, its unique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Does not look like a 4 in the epaulette field, so presumably 8. Infanterie-Regiment. Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcin L Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 Here is a close up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 3 of us live online posting over each other... but I am the fastest!!! Bavarian 1914 Militär-Handbuch: Note his farewell present from Baden aftyer your photo was made. Per the 1914-1918 Ehren Rangliste he went aD 25.05.14 and died of natural causes as an Oberstleutnant zD 18 November 1914. It will take longer to track down award dates for his BMV4 and RAO4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Two candidates in 1911. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Rats!!!! That's why I was hoping for a nice chopped in year down in the corner. Käfferlein: BMV4 26.12.07 and RAO4 10.09.08 both as Adjutant K.B. 4. Inf Div. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Hmmm... I lose Eduard Hoffmann-- there in the regiment as Oberstleutnant (with BZ2b-- "BZ4" per Bavarian rank List speak) in 1913, but vanished by the 1914 issue. * 1862, ? † 1913/14 (Bavarian Rank Lists don't list deaths and transfers the way Prussian ones did). NOW I'm stumped. Rather awkward mortality rate for senior orfficers of KB IR 8--something they ate in the officers' mess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) Eduard Hoffmann was transfered to 9. Infanterie-Regiment Wrede on 22 February 1913. He retired on 25 October 1913. Glenn Edited August 4, 2013 by Glenn J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcin L Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 So we have Ludwig Käfferlein, K.B. Inf Rgt 8 ? Thanks :-) Will post more pictures as soon as I have any interesting and possibly traceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 TWO suspects!!!! Aaaarrrgghh!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) Oberstleutnant z.D. Ludwig Käfferlein was born in Bayreuth on 25 August 1864. He was Offizier der Prüfungsstelle München at the time of his death. No dates for his awards in his Kriegsrangliste entry. Oberst z.D. Withelm Eduard Hoffmann was born in Schweinau, Nürnberg on 31 October 1862. If it is him, the photo would date after 24 May 1910, when he received his Red Eagle, and before 12 April 1912, when he received his Zähringen Lion. He also got a crown to his Bavarian Military Merit Order on 25 August 1913. During the war, he added an Iron Cross 2nd Class on 30 December 1915 and a König Ludwig Cross on 7 January 1916. He spent most of the war in command of POW camps. The two awards came during a period when he was Adj. of stellv. II. bayer. Armeekorps. Edited August 4, 2013 by Dave Danner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcin L Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 Dave - Thank You for this interesting info. Can I ask - how do you know all this? Last question - where can I find the list of awards abbreviations? I know just few of them but I remember there is a full list somewhere here. Regards, Marcin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I got the information from the Bavarian Army World War I Kriegsranglisten available on Ancestry.com, by subscription. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/798-common-abreviations-for-imperial-medals-orders/?hl=abbreviation It is soooooo much easier to use the "Rank List Speak" abbreviations than typing out the German names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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