Serbia Austrian Made St. Sava's

[Markus]

My new arrival K .F St. Sava in Blue box top quality

Fantastic! Thanks for sharing! The box is really nice also and in great shape. Great photos as well. Congratulations!

[paja]

Obi,

That is a beautiful piece, and I just love the blue box!

Many thanks for great photos! My congrats!

Edited February 20, 2014 by paja

[Rush79]

Beautifull pictures of the Order. I've recently achieved a St-Sava, type I, 5th class, made by KF.

Edited November 11, 2014 by Rush79

[paja]

Greetings and welcome to GMIC,

Sounds like an excellent addition to your collection! If it's not too much to ask could you possibly share some photos of that order with us?

[Rush79]

I'll look into it

[Rush79]

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Here are my pictures of the St-Sava 5th class I bought.

[paja]

Thanks for sharing those! Apart from that small enamel damage on the front side seems to be in very good condition.

My congrats on a great catch.

[Rogi]

Very nice piece Rush :)is it GAS ? (Sheid)

Edited November 16, 2014 by Rogi

[Rush79]

Thanks , I'm proud of it.

It's KF; Karl Fleischhacker.

[obi007]

New arrival I believe this's also made by    !!! 

Karl Fleischhacker

[paja]

I don't want to step on your toes but isn't that the same order you showed us here: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?/forums/topic/58993-serbia-order-of-st-sava-v-class-1883-huguenin-freres/

Did you perhaps dig up some new information on the producer?

[Markus]

A beautiful G.A. Scheid made St. Sava breast star 2nd class. Sold by Emedals. Photos by Emedals. The quality of the enamels and workmanship is exceptional. Star measures 78 mm across.

[paja]

Just beautiful! I can't find it on their website. Considering the size it must be Grand Officer, but it's a bit smaller than it should be. 

[Markus]

3 hours ago, paja said:

Just beautiful! I can't find it on their website. Considering the size it must be Grand Officer, but it's a bit smaller than it should be. 

Hi Radmilo!

This breast star was sold at auction but can be found in St.Sava search on their site.

http://www.emedals.com/europe/serbia/orders/order-of-st-sava/a-serbian-order-of-st-sava-second-class-breast-star-by-scheid

I am the new lucky owner now. I had a couple of questions that you may be able to answer. How does one tell a 2nd class St.Sava breast star from a 1st class St.Sava breast star? How does one tell if it is a first type or second type example on the Breast stars of St.Sava? I know G.A. Scheid made both types 1 & 2 and am assuming that this star is a type 1 based on the St. Sava painting, which is more detailed and finer than later simplified paintings.

Markus

[paja]

I'm pleased to hear it found a good new home, my congrats on such a great addition to your collection!
Thanks for the link, I somehow missed it. 
Difference between 1st and 2nd class star is their size. If I remember well 1st class star should be 90mm and 2nd class 84mm, at least in theory, actual size can vary a little bit. There's a small "trick" how to quickly tell which class is the star. Badge on the first class star should be the same size as 1st/2nd/3rd class badge, and badge on the 2nd class star should be the same size as 4th/5th class order.
As to your other question, I don't know any other way for telling them apart, but in some cases that is not very reliable method. I've seen stars from 1st type sets with depiction of St. Sava looking exactly the same as on some 2 type stars in terms of details and quality.

Edited July 26, 2016 by paja

[Markus]

Thanks Radmilo,

Your comments are very useful. I did find an identical type illustrated in Serbian and Yugoslavian Orders and Decorations, by Pavel Car and Tomislav Muhie, page 210. The book lists it as a Class 2, type 1-II s.S from a later production period by Scheid. That is such a wonderful book!

Markus

Edited July 25, 2016 by Markus

[paja]

You are most welcome, Markus. 
Unfortunately I think there was overlapping, which, when you think about it, is not illogical. Why would they make a different depiction of the saint Sava when only the royal cipher was replaced with the year of institution. I'm not trying to say that your order is not 1st type, it's just that I can't say for sure.
For example take a look at this one.

 

Source: http://libraryblogs.is.ed.ac.uk/untoldstories/tag/order-of-st-sava/

It was awarded in in June 1915 to Colonel Sir William Hunter so it must be 2nd type. 

[paja]

Quickly made comparison, there are differences but they are pretty similar.

 

[Markus]

Thanks Radmilo! Yes I agree that the type 2 you posted looks very similar to mine. The St. Sava paintings are still really nice in these type 2's and haven't reached the more primitive simplistic style paintings at the very end of Scheid's production of type 2-St.Sava's. Appreciated your replies!

[paja]

You are most welcome, Markus. I'm glad if my replies were helpful. 
Some of the Rothe's and Scheid's depictions of St. Sava are the most beautiful ones to me.
Whether 1st type or not one thing is certain, absolutely amazing order and a great catch!
Once again my congrats, I hope you'll have the star in your hands soon!

Edited July 26, 2016 by paja