Yankee Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 IMG_6987.JPG IMG_6988.JPG Hi Nick That is an awesome Russo-Turkish WAR bar with the Danube Crossing and of course the others too. I'd like to ask a question about this bar in regards to the St.Vladimir that for sure has the 25 or 35 year service inscription on the arms. The first to have seen one on any bar . As I was told prior to the Russian Revolution the year was spelled out in 4 letters and after 1917 the year was written in 3 letters. I have seen several examples over the years being spelled in both ways. Safe to say that good examples should only be 4 letters and three letter examples should be suspect. Perhaps the forgers now know this and corrected their mistake and are making the year of service with a 4 letter inscription. Thanks Sincerely Brian
JapanX Posted August 21, 2014 Author Posted August 21, 2014 That is an awesome Russo-Turkish WAR bar with the Danube Crossing and of course the others too. I'd like to ask a question about this bar in regards to the St.Vladimir that for sure has the 25 or 35 year service inscription on the arms. Hi Brian, as far as I know this admiral was awarded with order of St.. Vladimir in 4th Class with swords and bow, 3rd and 2nd classes. No 35 (or 25) years for him As I was told prior to the Russian Revolution the year was spelled out in 4 letters and after 1917 the year was written in 3 letters. Yes. Before revolution Летъ After Лет Three letter versions are indeed exist, but they belong to the 1850s-1860s period of time. Old slavian letter ѣ used in these. Inscription looks like Лѣт Best, Nick
JapanX Posted August 21, 2014 Author Posted August 21, 2014 P.S. If you were talking about officer in post # 3, then he indeed has long-service Vladimir. For 25 years with the bow. (crosses with inscription 35 years were issued only to civilians)
Yankee Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 Hi Brian, as far as I know this admiral was awarded with order of St.. Vladimir in 4th Class with swords and bow, 3rd and 2nd classes. No 35 (or 25) years for him Yes. Before revolution Летъ After Лет Three letter versions are indeed exist, but they belong to the 1850s-1860s period of time. Old slavian letter ѣ used in these. Inscription looks like Лѣт Best, Nick Hi Nick Many kind thanks for explaining that. Rarely as one does come across the inscription Vladimirs it is no shock to see turn of the century examples displaying three letters across the arm. Now I know only mid 19th century examples that are properly marked and bare that old cyrillic letter should be good . This info that you provided is great for the collecting community, just hope the forgers don't view this thread. Sincerely Brian
Yankee Posted August 21, 2014 Posted August 21, 2014 P.S. If you were talking about officer in post # 3, then he indeed has long-service Vladimir. For 25 years with the bow. (crosses with inscription 35 years were issued only to civilians) Post three it was. Had no idea that only civilaians received the 35 year inscription. I recall the early ones for military should have a bow on the ribbon since the swords did not exist before the Crimea War. What is interesting even with the swords, one does come across the bow attached to the ribbon. Sincerely Brian
JapanX Posted August 21, 2014 Author Posted August 21, 2014 Rarely as one does come across the inscription Vladimirs it is no shock to see turn of the century examples displaying three letters across the arm. Here they are
JapanX Posted August 21, 2014 Author Posted August 21, 2014 State Historical Museum in Moscow also has cross with Лѣт in his collection
JapanX Posted August 21, 2014 Author Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) I recall the early ones for military should have a bow on the ribbon since the swords did not exist before the Crimea War. November 26 (December 7), 1789 bow was introduced to mark 4th classes issued for military merit. In 1855 swords were introduced. Between 1855 and 1857 military St.Vladimir orders were issued with swords, but without bow. But in 1857 bow was returned. 4th class St. Vladimir order with swords - for civilians 4th class St. Vladimir order with swords and bow - for servicemen Since 1855 4th class with bow but without swords and with inscriprion "25 years" was issued for 25 years of service in officer ranks. Best, Nick Edited August 21, 2014 by JapanX
JapanX Posted August 21, 2014 Author Posted August 21, 2014 Another (and better quality) photo of Rudnev clear-cut Mejidje
Yankee Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 Hi Nick Post 34 is awesome in seeing examples of swords above the cross ( example 14 & 15 ) viewing genuine badges is a real privilege. The Russians must have copied this award system from the German States that had this practice in place. Basically they were allowed to add swords above if they were a holder of a lower grade with swords ( through cross ). I assume this is the reason for the Russians doing it. I have never come across a Russian badge with swords above which makes me believe they were awarded for a very short period of time. Thank you for those clear fotos and the detailed rules on the wearing of the ribbon with bow. Sincerely Brian
JapanX Posted October 27, 2014 Author Posted October 27, 2014 Commander of the Pacific Fleet, Vice Admiral Skrydlov
demir Posted February 22, 2015 Posted February 22, 2015 How could you find it, it is so hard to see. Bravo.
JapanX Posted April 6, 2015 Author Posted April 6, 2015 His Excellency A de Raffalovich (State Advisor, member of Finance Minister 's Council, Vice President of Russia ' s Imperial Commission)
JapanX Posted April 8, 2015 Author Posted April 8, 2015 Unknown russian captain with both turkish orders
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