beertje Posted March 13, 2006 Posted March 13, 2006 Hi,Maybe some of you have seen it already but i please want some of your opinions on this cased KvK without swords?? The cross is marked "15" . The case looks unfamiliar...Thanx.greetings & cheersmartin
Laurence Strong Posted March 13, 2006 Posted March 13, 2006 Hi MartinThe cross looks good, but I am not sure of the case, it seems to be missing the circle in the middle of the cross image. I don't know if cases like that were made. Maybe Marcus will chime in for us Here's my Frederich Orth MM15
Marcus H Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 (edited) Well, I like the look of the outer covering personally without looking at my files for confirmation. This type of stencil motif is a rare encounter ! You can see it's not an exact match for the KVK, being minus the centre portion and looks more like an Maltese cross proper. The catch and surround would suggest an earlier rather than latter period made box perhaps as a rule manufacture wise, but isn't a premise altogether. However, from what I can see I'd determine it's not altogether an earlier sorts, the hinge covering and base material....maybe I'm worng. This style (deeper grain) of outer covering is encountered on wound badge boxes, some other KVK and EK boxes too (note: the box for the most part basically was the same same for the awards mentioned {Ost Volk too} only the base would differ for the wound badge say {unless screwbacks, where colour of the base material can ligitimately it seems differ adversely too} and sometimes the motif of course and also the colour of the velour or material covering the base)Can I see a pic of the catch please, from the front and from an eye level perspective with the head of the catch visible and I'll see what I can deduce from that and give you my opinion.KrMarcus Edited March 14, 2006 by Marcus H
beertje Posted March 14, 2006 Author Posted March 14, 2006 Thanks for your opinions.I have bought it already, and i dont have better pics from the catch yet. It came form the same owner of the red/maroon case I posted on WAF...i missed that one Its mint condition, and I have never seen such a case. Maybe more members on this forum who have seen this type of case?? martin
Laurence Strong Posted March 14, 2006 Posted March 14, 2006 Its mint condition, and I have never seen such a case. Maybe more members on this forum who have seen this type of case?? martinWhich one, the case shown here or the case ofr the Kvk2?
beertje Posted March 15, 2006 Author Posted March 15, 2006 Which one, the case shown here or the case ofr the Kvk2?I bought 1st class one...
Marcus H Posted March 15, 2006 Posted March 15, 2006 Perhaps Gordon can shed some light on this sorts, as they are few and far between, he has had alot of exposure to these cases in recent times........I think I've seen one before which was a D&B pattern construction.I'm not aware of any such fake like this, the fakes tend to emulate poorly the full block motif types (or just the Ldo versions). But as suggested would like to see the catch in the near future for a Marcus' prognosis of the catch working theory.
Mike K Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 (edited) Hi Marcus,My own cased 15 w/o swords came in exactly the same case as Martin's example - same catch and same stencilled design on the lid. The upper white silk insert has basically no soft padding - whatever is there is moderately thin and very firm. The lower black insert on my example is covered in Spruehfilz (a heavy covering though) so it may not be an early style case - ?mid-war? The insert is not loose so I don't know if it's marked underneath.RegardsMikePS: quick scan attached Edited March 16, 2006 by Mike K
beertje Posted March 16, 2006 Author Posted March 16, 2006 Hi Marcus,My own cased 15 w/o swords came in exactly the same case as Martin's example - same catch and same stencilled design on the lid. The upper white silk insert has basically no soft padding - whatever is there is moderately thin and very firm. The lower black insert on my example is covered in Spruehfilz (a heavy covering though) so it may not be an early style case - ?mid-war? The insert is not loose so I don't know if it's marked underneath.RegardsMikePS: quick scan attachedThanx Mike for your can. The case is underway.... Can you post your cross with case?? martin
Mike K Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 Hi Martin,Some scans to follow as requested. Sorry, but I won't have time to take a pic of the inside of the case.RegardsMikeCase top;
Marcus H Posted March 17, 2006 Posted March 17, 2006 I'd be inclined to opt for good based on Mikes pic's, outer covering, incuse lines etc a clear match in my opinion and I agree with the observation the velour material too.Thank you my firend Mike KrMarcus
Mike K Posted March 18, 2006 Posted March 18, 2006 Hi Marcus,Sorry for the late reply - was travelling to work. Yes, I still own this one - it's the only w/o swords I've kept. Don't have access to my records but it is not a recent purchase.RegardsMike
beertje Posted March 29, 2006 Author Posted March 29, 2006 Hi Mike,nice example you have there also..... Just received my cased "15" ...greetsmartin
beertje Posted March 29, 2006 Author Posted March 29, 2006 It aint stamped on the inside, only numbered with a pencil....
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