Question regarding swords on ribbon bars

[webr55]

Hello all,

a belated Happy New Year! This time I have a question, regarding swords on ribbon bars, and specifically the type below, which is usually considered a late WW2 type. I have always wondered when they started to appear exactly. Does anyone have examples of this type of swords on ribbon bars which are clearly from before 1942?

 

Regards

Chris

[Beau Newman]

That looks like the style of sword hilt seen on the Hessian Order of Philip.  Whether this style made it onto ribbon bars, I do not know.

[P.F.]

Can we see the rest of the ribbon bar? Can you date it to the time period you describe?

[webr55]

It is in the ribbon bar devices gallery: What I mean is this type of swords device:

 

[webr55]

This is the late WW2 hollow back swords type. What are the earliest examples you have seen?