Ostuf Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Hi guys, have this nice portrait of this Oberleutnant. Any biographical data on him? Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) Hello! Do you have an era? Is it an EK 70/71 or 1914? The tunic doesn´t look like a Dragoner Edited February 12, 2018 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ostuf Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 Unfortunately I just have a name and the unit written on back of the photo. In my opinion, the EK is 1870/71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 And it's 1. Garde-Dragoner-Regiment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ostuf Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 yes... 1 GDR Berlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Hmmm, I´ve got a list of EK owners of 70/71. No Könemann... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ostuf Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 Could it be before ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 And the EK? It won't be a 1813 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ostuf Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 yes, you're right. I had this photo 5 yeras ago and never found anything on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) Could you show the reverse, please? I don´t believe it´s 1813 one. Edited February 12, 2018 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ostuf Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 I don't have the photo with me right now. I' ll be home next week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Ah OK. Then let's wait a while. Or maybe another one knows more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ostuf Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 I know this is a difficult one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 You´re absolutely right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ostuf Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 by the way, why you have some doubts on his tunic? Don't you think it could be a dragoner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 You´re right. I´ve checked a few books. The man wears an "Interimsrock" This tunic was worn around the 50s and the early 70s. So it´s a quiete rare photo! Here is a Interimsrock of a dragoner of the line. Guards didn´t have any Litzen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ostuf Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 What a nice plate you posted Prussian! I'm sure we are discussing a very interesting photo... just too bad we can't find anything on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) The plate is stolen from the net... Maybe the reverse will help next week Edited February 12, 2018 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ostuf Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 yes, maybe the reverse will help us, but can't see how... It just says:Oberleutnant v. Könemann 1 GDR Berlin Nothing else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Sometimes the writer could be wrong... In the list of 70/71 EK owners I´ve found a Sec.Lt. Rudolf Emil v. Kunheim in 1.Garde-Drag.Rgt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ostuf Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 I see... ok, we'll see next week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) In the ranklist 70/71 is a v. Kunheim with EK II: Sec.Lt. v. Kunheim in Garde-Train-Bataillon. Note the the rank "Oberleutnant" came-up not before 1899. Before it was called Seconde-Lieutenant for Leutnant and Premier-Lieutetant for Oberleutnant. So the script must have been written after 1899/1900 The ranklist 1869 shows two v. Kunheim (1x Sec.Lt, 1x Pr.Lt.) in Cavalry of 7.Ostpreuß. Landwehr-Rgt.Nr.44. Thet means, Sc.Lt. Kunheim was in the Landwehr before the war and had been activated for the war, probably in 1870. But I´m not sure, that he is the man in the photo, but he is our only hint... Edited February 12, 2018 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ostuf Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 Yes, it make sense. just tell me, the same von Kunheim in 1.Garde-Drag.Rgt in the list of 70/71 EK owners, could be one of the two Kunheim listed in the ranklist 1869, in Cavalry of 7.Ostpreuß. Landwehr-Rgt.Nr.44. At the start of the war, he was activated and transferred to the 1.Garde-Drag.Rgt, until the end of the conflict and awarded with a EK II klasse. Is it right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I don´t know. That´s just a guess. It´s possible. When we have the reverse I could check the official recordings of the war. The regiment fought: 1.9. Sedan, 5.9. Montmedy; 29.9. Li´Isle Adam; 9.10. Gisors; 14.10. Ecouis; 19./20.10. Etrepagny; 22.10. Vernon; 25.10. Longchamps; 6.11. Le Thiel; 7.11. Forêt la Folie; 19.-29.9. and 26.11.-28.1. Paris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayern Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Gentlemen , The officer portrayed wears the type of feldachselstucke .introduced into the Prussian Army for the campaign of 1866 . later these shoulderboards were used with the service dress . The Landwehr cavalry weared blue and not light blue tunics and interims rocke .with the interimsrock litzen were not used . the pic is from between 1866 and 1889 , judging by the type of SBs but the EK II situates the date more precisely between 1870 and 1889. A 1813 EKII is exclude by way of the age of the officer and his rank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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