Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 I have two photos of Natzmer, one from the book "Deutschlands Admirale" and the other one is from the ceremony of the opening of the Naval Memorial in Laboe on 30 May 1936. I think there is no doubt they are the same person? Anyway, I need help in identifying the medals on his medal bar. This would help me confirm the ID of him as Natzmer, and also match his known awards from the Rangliste and the seeoffiziere Gesamtliste. His list of awards I have: -Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden 2. Klasse mit Schwertern am Zweimal Schwarz- und Dreimal Weiß-Gestreiften Bande (22. 01. 1918) -Eisernes Kreuz (1914) 1. Klasse -Eisernes Kreuz (1914) 2. Klasse -Königlich Preußische Kaiser Wilhelm-Centenarmedaille 1897 -China-Denkmünze in Bronze mit Spange „Taku“ -Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden 3. Klasse mit der Schleife -Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden 4. Klasse -Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden 3. Klasse mit Schwertern am Ringe -Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden 4. Klasse mit Schwertern -Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden 4. Klasse -Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz -Königlich Preußische Rettungsmedaille am Bande -Ehrenkreuz 2. Klasse des Fürstlichen Hausordens von Hohenzollern -Königlich Bayerischer Militärverdienstorden 4. Klasse mit der Krone -Ritterkreuz des Königlich Belgischen Leopoldsordens mit Schwertern -Ritterkreuz des Königlich Dänischen Dannebrog-Ordens -Kaiserlich Russischer St. Annenorden 3. Klasse -Kaiserlich Türkischer Osmanje-Orden 4. Klasse -Ehren-und Erinnerungskreuz des Marinekorps Flandern -Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer Some notes: - Oddly, the 1914 Rangliste lists both the KO4x and the KO4. Is that a mistake, or is it possible that the swords weren't added to his KO4 and instead he received a brand new medal? - The 1914 Rangliste lists "BL4" for him. This would be the Belgian Order of Leopold, Knight's Cross. In the Rangliste it says that officers received this order only with Swords. Is this correct? Even foreigners? - I have no proof for the Flanders Cross, since it was a non-official award. But I'm pretty sure he received it, because he was the Commander of the I. Naval-Brigade of the Naval Corps in Flanders in 1918. The medal bar: - Eisernes Kreuz (1914) 2. Klasse - Ehrenkreuz 2. Klasse des Fürstlichen Hausordens von Hohenzollern ??? - Königlich Preußische Rettungsmedaille am Bande ??? - Königlich Preußischer Kronen-Orden 4. Klasse mit Schwertern ??? - Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden 3. Klasse mit der Schleife - Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer - Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz - China-Denkmünze in Bronze ??? - Königlich Preußische Kaiser Wilhelm-Centenarmedaille 1897 It's difficult to see if there are two or three medals after the EKII and before the RAO3S. Also, there seems to be a round medal between the DA and the Centenarmedaille. The ribbon fits with the China-Denkmünze I think. Also, I can't see the BMV4mKr mounted on his medal bar. It would help if anyone could tell me which medals would Natzmer wear on his medal bar, and in which order... Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 That cannot be Natzmer, because he is not wearing any neck cross. He would not have left off his RAO2X. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegsmarine Admiral Posted August 8, 2020 Author Share Posted August 8, 2020 1 hour ago, webr55 said: That cannot be Natzmer, because he is not wearing any neck cross. He would not have left off his RAO2X. The KO2x could be hidden because of the angle he is facing. See how on the left photo his KO2x is partly hidden by his uniform. If you don't think it's Natzmer on the right photo, just compare the ears. They are identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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