Avitas Posted May 4, 2006 Posted May 4, 2006 Greetings from beautiful BC,Here is my Deutsches Frauenwerk membership pin with RZM m1/13 maker mark on it. Where abouts in the timeline would this badge fit in? Were the Deutches Frauenschaft pins an earlier name for the same organization? or were they separate groups? I have seen a few of your collections on the one other post and the membership badges were all together, so I am assuming it is the same organization. Any help on this subject would be great, as well as any specific info on this badge and the maker.I am very grateful for any of your advice,Thanks,Pat
JNoble Posted May 5, 2006 Posted May 5, 2006 The Deutsches Frauenwerk was established in 1933 predating the NS-Frauenschaft by five years. Your M1/13 was made by L. Christian Lauer.
Avitas Posted June 12, 2006 Author Posted June 12, 2006 Thanks for the info I just picked up this NS Frauenschaft in Edmonton made by the same maker, M1/13 Christian Lauer. It maintains beautiful enamel and is in great shape I would say. Any comments on it are welcome!Thanks,Pat
Avitas Posted June 12, 2006 Author Posted June 12, 2006 and here is the reverse, it looks like a good one to me, any opinions?
Gold Party Pin Guy Posted June 12, 2006 Posted June 12, 2006 The NS Frauenschaft was a political NSDAP body (one of the "militant" groups), and the Frauenwerk was a more of a civilian volunteer group.
BURGERHAUS Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 Pat Looks like a keeper to me. Nice enamel and correct markings. Congrats to you. Robert
JNoble Posted June 13, 2006 Posted June 13, 2006 Pat,Your NS-Frauenschaft badge is a 1st pattern Staff badge at the Orts (local) level (blue border) and a sweet one it is.
Avitas Posted June 25, 2006 Author Posted June 25, 2006 Thanks gents I could have picked up the large version as well with the Songbook but alas I was out of money I hope to pick up some more of these as they are a neat badge, but I don't see many of the red versions around. Oh well, it'll pop up one day!Cheers,Pat
ChrisKelly Posted July 22 Posted July 22 Below are images of genuine NSF badges (The badge with the blue border is for Ortsgruppe / Ortsfrauenschaftsleiterin - a local leader), and an NSF book, published in 1934, which contains a selection of essays concerning the "proper German woman" in thought, word and deed, so to speak. This is one of many books banned by the Allies during the occupation, 1945 - 1949, and purchase, sale, display, distribution or even possession of it was a criminal offense. The first and second images show a National-Sozialistische-Frauenschaft (National Socialist Women's Organization - Frauenschaft properly translates to "womanhood") member's badge. It is hallmarked "Ges.Gesch." which is an abbreviation for gesetzlich geschützt, which translates to "protected by law". Its equivalent in English would be "patent pending". The letters, in stylized Fraktur, are G (Glaube), H (Hoffnung) and L (Liebe), which stand for faith, hope and love. The triangular Frauenschaft badges described above are the 1936 - pattern badges. The 1939 - pattern badges dispensed with the Christian - themed cross and "G H L", instead displaying the more nazified "sonnenrad" and the leben [life] rune. This rune is common on German grave markers, situated next to the decedent's date of birth. Generally, higher leaders' badges also have the heraldic eagle holding the wreath with a mobile swastika in the center, an honor reserved for district, regional and national leaders. Additionally, a border of oak leaves and acorns was added to indicate leadership positions at the highest levels. This would also be the badge of the Deutsche Frauenwerk, established in 1939 as the womens' home-front contribution to the war effort. However, while the Frauenschaft provided oversight to the Deutsche Frauenwerk, members/participants in the Deutsche Frauenwerk were not members of the NS - Frauenschaft based on the similarity of their badges or their collaborative efforts, nor were DF members automatically enrolled in the NSF based on DF membership. Great reference sites: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:N.S.-Frauenschaft-Abzeichen https://gmic.co.uk/topic/23834-frauenschaft-badges/ https://www.militarytrader.com/militaria-collectibles/frauenschaft-the-nazis-womens-league
--dj--Joe Posted July 22 Posted July 22 Very informative and nice items. Here is another good reference link. --dj--Joe
Scowen Posted July 23 Posted July 23 7 hours ago, --dj--Joe said: Very informative and nice items. Here is another good reference link. --dj--Joe Thank you for digging out that old thread Joe. Almost 20 years old! A lot has changed in that time & new knowledge gained. Unfortunately, the Osang pieces shown in that thread by myself & other members are now known to be a fake...
--dj--Joe Posted July 23 Posted July 23 Hi Don, life is a learning process until we graduate. 😇 ChrisKelly, what is the mark on the pin plate (on your large Nat.Soz.Frauenschaft ) 144? --dj--Joe
--dj--Joe Posted November 10 Posted November 10 Interesting. 144 is not listed as a known M1 code. Could be an unknown. Or could be the firm mixed up their M code for M5 uniform accessories or M9 tinnies (day badges). So much we don't know for sure. Good chance the lists are not complete. --dj--Joe
--dj--Joe Posted November 29 Posted November 29 Very nice. I have one Deutsches Frauenwerk badge marked RZM M1/153, for Friedrich Orth Wien. --dj--Joe
ChrisKelly Posted November 30 Posted November 30 I'd love to see it. About forty-five years ago, I went to an antique shop on the way to Roanoke, Virginia, on US460 West. Place was huge. Like a football stadium huge. I bought a Deutsches Frauenwerk pin for about $15USD. It was the first Third Reich/non-military/civil item I ever purchased. I remember it was hallmarked "M1/72". Great condition. No enamel damage. I guess that's why I got nostalgic about it. As you may have guessed from my copious posts, I like the civil/non-military material. Kind of piques your interest in the "everyday life" of those places and times.
--dj--Joe Posted November 30 Posted November 30 A couple of images. Not as sharp as I would have liked. --dj--Joe 1
ChrisKelly Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago (edited) This I had never seen before. "German N.S.J. (Jung) Mädchenschaft NSDAP Membership Badge. Gilt Tombac metal and enamel badge in mint condition. Marked GES GESCH. Excellent condition. Measures 21mm tall. Believed to be made by Steinhauer und Lück. This variant is the N.S.J. (Jung) Mädchenschaft and is very rare. N.S. Mädchenschaft formed in 1933 along with the parent group the N.S.Frauenschaft. It was short-lived for its usefulness was lost with several other groups being formed. It initially was started as a girls organization of the Nazi Women’s League. Membership was voluntary for those who already belonged to the JM* or BdM**. By early 1935 the organization was disbanded mostly due to lack of general interest. * The Jungmädelbund (“Young Girls’ League”) for girls aged 10 to 14 **The Bund Deutscher Mädel League of German Girls (BDM) for girls aged 14 to 18" Source: https://www.militariasales.com/product/german-n-s-frauenschaft-nsdap-local-staff-membership-badge-copy/ This is neat, too... Source: http://www.germandocuments.com/Medals_and_Pins_5.html Edited 13 hours ago by ChrisKelly
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