Bratovanov.T Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Hello, I'm planning of collecting all 4 degrees of the bulgarian soldier cross and the officers cross. Could someone tell what is the difference between the emission in the first two pictures and the emission of the third picture. I want to know which emission was made first, till when was it awarded, in what country was it made. Any information is helpful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 (edited) All those crosses are from the the first emission with the "seven points" Awarded during the Balkan Wars The second emission is with the "1915' Those crosses were awarded during WW1 In the beginning of the WW2 left overs from the "1915" emissions were awarded In the late stages of WW2 the "1941" emission crosses were awarded mainly to German military persons Those crosses had Austrian/German style triangular ribbons They are made by the German Company Zimmerman Their quality is much better This is the only emission that have a bronze Cross The vast majority of soldiers crosses were made in Bulgaria There are samples of the first two emissions made by Austrian and German companies Their quality is very good this.Some of them made from 800 0r 925 Silver There are single samples of "1945' emission made in Bulgaria however they were never approved and awarded Their quality is bad The crosses had different ribbons The standard ones followed the design for the Classes from 1 to 4 First Class - Gilded Cross with crossed ribbon Second Class - Gilded Cross with straight ribbon Third Class Silvered Cross with Crossed ribbon Fourth Class Silvered Cross with straight ribbon There were also crosses with pentagonal ribbon seen in all emission I believe this was the choice of the awarded person There were also crosses awarded to medical Staff without swords Edited April 29 by Graf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bratovanov.T Posted April 28 Author Share Posted April 28 Thank you so much, you made things so clear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 19 hours ago, Bratovanov.T said: Thank you so much, you made things so clear! Welcome Good luck in your collecting My advice is to start with the standard Crosses and once you get experience you can start looking for more rare ones. Remember - The soldiers crosses (and also the Officers ones) without swords are made without swords. If someone offers you a cross with cut off swords it is not an original one The swords have been cut off for profit, since those crosses demand higher prices Also one of their feature is that they are smaller and slimmer than the standard crosses with swords Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 BTW If you have not found yet - to make the pictures bigger you have to click with the right button of your browser on the desired picture Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bratovanov.T Posted May 1 Author Share Posted May 1 Here is my current collection of bravery crosess from the Balkan wars. I know that I have two degrees of second class i just don't want to spend more money on a soldier's crosses. Will make updates when I collect the officers cross and the 1,2,4 envelopes!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bratovanov.T said: Here is my current collection of bravery crosess from the Balkan wars. I know that I have two degrees of second class i just don't want to spend more money on a soldier's crosses. Will make updates when I collect the officers cross and the 1,2,4 envelopes!!!! Nice small collection You do not need to get more Good decision to go now to the Officers Classes I suppose from the "seven points" Emission Fourth Class of the Officer Cross from this emission has only Second Grade are is more affordable as the highest Classes The First grade of the Fourth Class was introduced for the First time in the '1915' emission The next emissions of the Fourth Class all of them have First and Second Grade The fourth Class from the "seven points' emission has two main variations with fat lion and with a slim lion in the central medallion Also there are some other rare variations of the Fourth Class -- with the lily - with the elongated ear this variation is considered to be the very first issue of the Fourth Grade Cross/Badge - without swords for Doctors and Clergy man I discovered that it was made in France - Edited May 1 by Graf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bratovanov.T Posted May 1 Author Share Posted May 1 2 hours ago, Graf said: Nice small collection You do not need to get more Good decision to go now to the Officers Classes I suppose from the "seven points" Emission Fourth Class of the Officer Cross from this emission has only Second Grade are is more affordable as the highest Classes The First grade of the Fourth Class was introduced for the First time in the '1915' emission The next emissions of the Fourth Class all of them have First and Second Grade The fourth Class from the "seven points' emission has two main variations with fat lion and with a slim lion in the central medallion Also there are some other rare variations of the Fourth Class -- with the lily - with the elongated ear this variation is considered to be the very first issue of the Fourth Grade Cross/Badge - without swords for Doctors and Clergy man I discovered that it was made in France - OK thank you for the information. What is the price right now for a 4 class emission with 7 dots with and without swords? I think there boxes go around 125-150 euros (250-300 leva). Also why the boxes cost so much? Is it because they were awarded in the trenches and the soldier's just threw away the boxes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 7 hours ago, Bratovanov.T said: OK thank you for the information. What is the price right now for a 4 class emission with 7 dots with and without swords? I think there boxes go around 125-150 euros (250-300 leva). Also why the boxes cost so much? Is it because they were awarded in the trenches and the soldier's just threw away the boxes? The cost will be around 250 Euro Without swords 450-500 Euro Price of a box for Second Class must be no more then 100 Euro The boxes are rarer then the Orders because many have been damaged or lost Very unlikely to be thrown away in the trenches Do not forget they were awarded to Officers Also do not forget that during the Communist Period many of those awards were banned and many people had to hide them and it will be much easier without box. I looked at the Bulgarian site Balkan Auction The prices of the Awards and boxes are quite high The problem is that the interest in Bulgarian Awards have increased and The number of the awards on the market is not very high Be patient and follow the market Something will pop up at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Ostapenko Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 About first crosses https://www.alteorden.com/threads/1880-devjat-tochek.11218/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 On 08/05/2024 at 02:44, Igor Ostapenko said: About first crosses https://www.alteorden.com/threads/1880-devjat-tochek.11218/ Nice information Igor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bratovanov.T Posted May 17 Author Share Posted May 17 On 01/05/2024 at 15:39, Graf said: Here is a very rare emission of the order for bravery in a museum located in my local town - Sevlievo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Yes 22 hours ago, Bratovanov.T said: Here is a very rare emission of the order for bravery in a museum located in my local town - Sevlievo. Yes it is rare one with the lily connection on top When you go to Sofia I advise you to visit the national Military Museum You can see many nice Orders and Decorations I have one in my collection see picture bellow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveBobby Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 I'm also trying to collect them，I think this is one of the order or cross that best represents the history of Bulgaria. Yours Steve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Ostapenko Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 4 hours ago, steveBobby said: I'm also trying to collect them，I think this is one of the order or cross that best represents the history of Bulgaria. Yours Steve Very nice 👍 can you make pictures of this cross ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveBobby Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 4 hours ago, Igor Ostapenko said: Very nice 👍 can you make pictures of this cross ? Of course igor, I hope the photos satisfy you. Yours Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bratovanov.T Posted May 24 Author Share Posted May 24 On 21/05/2024 at 04:12, steveBobby said: I'm also trying to collect them，I think this is one of the order or cross that best represents the history of Bulgaria. Yours Steve Very nice collection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graf Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 On 21/05/2024 at 11:12, steveBobby said: I'm also trying to collect them，I think this is one of the order or cross that best represents the history of Bulgaria. Yours Steve Very nice display Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bratovanov.T Posted May 31 Author Share Posted May 31 On 21/05/2024 at 04:12, steveBobby said: I'm also trying to collect them，I think this is one of the order or cross that best represents the history of Bulgaria. Yours Steve Nice collection. I see you have every emission of the Officer Cross, congrats! Also could you make separate photos of the envelopes, I want to see the 1 and 2 grade envelopes . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveBobby Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 On 5/31/2024 at 7:41 PM, Bratovanov.T said: Nice collection. I see you have every emission of the Officer Cross, congrats! Also could you make separate photos of the envelopes, I want to see the 1 and 2 grade envelopes . Greeting Bratovanov！ In fact, I have not collected a first-class cross paper bag yet. But I took pictures of the rest of the grades of paper bags, hope this helps you. Yours Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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