Order of Glory 16788

[Alfred]

Could this be a real Glory 3rd class? Any oppinions? Or is the serial number also changed.

The 4 tips of the stars are around 2,0 - 2,19 mm thick.

 

best regards and thanks

Andreas

[Mondvor]

This Glory is a 3rd class with fake gold plating of the central medallion. Here is a close number on the other 3rd class glory and you can see the similarity in handwriting pattern.

This is a real 2nf class Glory from the same number range. Check how different it is.

[Megan]

Great explanation showing us just what to look for - thank you!

[Eric Gaumann]

That plating is hideous as is the enamel "repair" but yeah, it looks like a legit OG3.

Do you own it or are going to buy it with the intention of restoring it?  That would be interesting to watch.

[Alfred]

I bought this Glory with a lot of badges and other awards. The collector died.

 

I had a similar case years ago, I used cheap "bad/rough" toth paste to remove the gold plating.

But years ago the gold plating was not so solid.

 

Any other suggestions/ proposals what I can use.

 

best regards and thanks

Andreas

 

 

[Eric Gaumann]

The only thing that comes to mind immediately is acetone.  I'm pretty sure that would remove the ugly red paint where the enamel was lost.  But I doubt it would touch that gold plating.  If there's a good jewelry repair place near your town you might ask them for opinions.

[Alfred]

"If there's a good jewelry repair place near your town you might ask them for opinions. "

 

That was also my thought,

 

Andreas

[Marcel B.]

Did you research the number and know who the awardee is? Perhaps it is a double awarded OG3 that was supposed to be an OG2 and where the awardee him/herself had this alternation done or it was a lost award which the veteran himself replaced. I have seen more OG3's turned into OG2's done by the awardee themselves by adding ugly gold paint. It is ugly for us collectors but for the veterans it feels different. On Matt's website there's a good example of this:

 

https://sovietorders.com/product/group-of-awards-to-a-full-cavalier-of-the-order-of-glory/?swcfpc=1

 

In case it IS done by the awardee I would leave the gold paint, as ugly as it is. It was done by the veteran and how he wanted it. So do research before removing the ugly paint.

Edited November 14 by Marcel B.

[livesinayurt]

On 14/11/2024 at 00:08, Marcel B. said:

 

https://sovietorders.com/product/group-of-awards-to-a-full-cavalier-of-the-order-of-glory/?swcfpc=1

 

In case it IS done by the awardee I would leave the gold paint, as ugly as it is. It was done by the veteran and how he wanted it. So do research before removing the ugly paint.

This is fascinating! I’m curious how an awardee would get an OGIII to modify like this. I’m assuming there was very little market for medals and orders during the Soviet times, so was this done later? Thanks for sharing this fascinating history—even when it’s aesthetically less pleasing, I like awards with modifications by the awardee as it shows how meaningful it was to them. 

[Leaftree]

On 13/11/2024 at 21:08, Marcel B. said:

Did you research the number and know who the awardee is? Perhaps it is a double awarded OG3 that was supposed to be an OG2 and where the awardee him/herself had this alternation done or it was a lost award which the veteran himself replaced. I have seen more OG3's turned into OG2's done by the awardee themselves by adding ugly gold paint. It is ugly for us collectors but for the veterans it feels different. On Matt's website there's a good example of this:

 

https://sovietorders.com/product/group-of-awards-to-a-full-cavalier-of-the-order-of-glory/?swcfpc=1

 

In case it IS done by the awardee I would leave the gold paint, as ugly as it is. It was done by the veteran and how he wanted it. So do research before removing the ugly paint.

Laughing at myself as this has never occurred to me that it was done.

[Marcel B.]

I am curious to see research results being posted here.

[Wat05]

Yes, it would be really interesting to see what results will show.