JamesM Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 B&NL Spanish Crosses......has there been any further consensus on these crosses? I know they had been discussed on another forum, where some were quick to condemn and others just weren?t sure? Has there been any evidence one way or another on these pieces? There seemed to be differences, if I recall correctly, in the makers mark and quality of some of the B&NL crosses that were owned and discussed by the collectors on that forum.Cheers,James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 I don't know but I'm sure that there will be plenty of conversation regarding it.All the Best, Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Hi,B&NL .... I had a gold cross MM B&NL, but after few years I discovered it was a fake. here it is pictured. I never had a good one in hand. This is reason why I'm suspicious without definitivly condemning this maker.jacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 reverse of this fake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Williams Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 how did you discover it was fake Jacques? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 I had a suspicion and it has been confirmed by a dealer. I also found the same kind of cross with other MM.In fact I don't like the eagles details thus the swords grips.jacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Posted for JAMES, he is waiting your comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Eagle's details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 MM details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 size view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 For me this cross is of the same fake serie as the gold I posted.the eagles and swords grips present the same form and details.the pebbling is roughthe center disk has not the same silver wash as the other parts of the cross, which is not good.jacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Here are other crosses that present the same details, with different maker's marks, to illustrate my suspiscion. the first is marked "21 800" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 this one marked "CEJ" which is a fake too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 this fake marked L/12 800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesM Posted June 20, 2006 Author Share Posted June 20, 2006 Jacques,Thank you for posting the photos!Are the pieces that you have, or observed, quite vaulted? They are quite well done and should be a cause for concern for those not familiar with them.Did the dealer say who makes these?Cheers,James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 I remember mine was well vaulted and was very convincing until I found other pics with other makers. the dealer just told me it was a fake in his opinion.I didn't see pics or handed B&NL cross which be unsuspiscious. this is my opinion, and I'm ready to change my mind, but not with the crosses presented here.jacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Williams Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Jaques I also thought the grips looked bad, the eagles did not concern me too much. After the other crosses you posted I have no doubt as to these being fakes. Thanks for the lesson!is there anyoriginal B&NL catalog that lists them as offering a Spanish cross? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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