NavyFCO Posted July 29, 2006 Posted July 29, 2006 Just got this award card in today for an unnumbered For Military Merit medal. Any stabs at what he might have gotten the award for??? Dave
Guest Rick Research Posted July 29, 2006 Posted July 29, 2006 Oho! So our young draftee Ukrainian Sergeant in charge of the "starting installation" section of Mysterious Field Post Unit X in Baku got himself a unnumbered MMM fromthe geriatric hands of The Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. Oho.(An ORIGINAL Award Record Card too BTW-- first I've seen in Living Color)12 September 1972installing...hmmmmmmm.Egypt and Viet Nam seem the only overseas possibilitiesunless he went up on Brezhnev's roof in high wind to repair his television antenna?
NavyFCO Posted July 29, 2006 Author Posted July 29, 2006 (An ORIGINAL Award Record Card too BTW-- first I've seen in Living Color)Yes! I have found a contact that can get me the award cards via photo instead of photo copy. He can do it for awards that have the name of the recipient, and the turnaround time is about one week. Gotta love competition in the ranks of researchers...... Dave
Guest Rick Research Posted July 29, 2006 Posted July 29, 2006 How about... durst one HOPE??? ...actual photos of the personnel file photos instead of those dark splotches we have had to settle for??
Mondvor Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 (edited) I think he got his MM medal for a good results of his unit's work displayed during some major military training (tactical exercises). He was in charge of the missile launcher, so most likely his crew destroyed important target on this exercises.This was a common thing to give high awards for military exercises. For example two people got Nahimov 1st class for "Запад-81" ("West-81") military training in 1981.In 1970 were two major tactical trainings - "Dvina" (Belorussian Military District) and "Ocean" (Nothern Fleet). So this Ukraininan guy could participate in one of those "games".And I didn't get Rick's words about "geriatric hands of The Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR". Rick, what do you mean? Edited July 30, 2006 by Mondvor
Guest Rick Research Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 Just being funny about the old old OLD Kremlinites.... taking Very Personal notice of a far away draftee. Unless one of them was there on the spot In Very Important Person.Imagine him being 22 years old and told "The Top" was giving him a medal even most officers didn't have in 1972, and not just some flimsy colored certificate from his battalion commander. An annual exercise never occurred to me, since we see groups to officers with decades of service and they got absolutely nothing. My Gordienko Guards Airborne Colonel in the researched subforum was in elite units for his entire career and got absolutely NOTHING except his Red Banner for seizing the palace of the President of Czechoslovakia in 1968. He certainly would have been involved in many high profile exercises...nope, never even a mere Military Merit Medal.
Mondvor Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 Rick, those trainings vere not annual. For example "Dvina" that I mentioned above was a big training in wich almost entire Military District was involved. Such big games were once in five or 10 years.If you didn't see similar awards in some groups it doesn't mean they were not possible.BTW, the chance for overseas coflict award is many times lower. He was not an officer. And in those conflicts mostly Soviet Army officers participated. And even for officers the percent was extremely low (comparing with total number of officers in Soviet Army).
Guest Rick Research Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 "And in those conflicts mostly Soviet Army officers participated."An excellent point and one which we should all remember!
cosinus Posted July 31, 2006 Posted July 31, 2006 Anti-aircraft defence unit 01442, Azerbaijan, Sangachaly...
Guest Rick Research Posted August 1, 2006 Posted August 1, 2006 Ahhhhhhhhhhh, you have a list of the Military Unit Numbers? Prepare for 1 million questions! Could you please tell me what THIS one was, 12 August 1980:[attachmentid=48452]1) Unit 44708 is in RED ink2) it is two years late... and Colonel Vozhachenko was on active duty:http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=1937having just received a Red Star for Afghanistan in 1979 BEFORE the "real" war started. 3) the person who signed it "neglected" to fill in rank or neatly print/stamp what the signature says.And CONTINUING the oddity of DIRECT PRESIDIUM AWARDS of extremely unimportant awards, here is the Colonel's lowly 1988 Jubilee, again long delayed but ALSO issued BY (not just "in the name of") the Presidium:[attachmentid=48453]He appears to have been in North Vietnam then:http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=1938
cosinus Posted August 1, 2006 Posted August 1, 2006 (edited) Ahhhhhhhhhhh, you have a list of the Military Unit Numbers? Prepare for 1 million questions! Could you please tell me what THIS one was, 12 August 1980:[attachmentid=48452]1) Unit 44708 is in RED inkThank you, Rick !!! Really good question!!! But I am 101% sure you know this military unit!!!!! ... Unit 44708, It seems The Main Administrative Board for International Military Cooperation of The Defence Ministry, for example, this unit existed in... Maputu, Mozambic... Lesotho... I guess if all military attache belong to the unit ? The unit 44708 still exists...One small secret: I use www to find the both military units, nothing else!!! I simply wrote "?/? 44708" in Yandex search system and got an answer in 5 sec I am leaving for Poland for a week and maybe would not visit you, my friends...Regards, Dima Edited August 1, 2006 by cosinus
Guest Rick Research Posted August 1, 2006 Posted August 1, 2006 Thanks very much Dima! I had NO idea-- I almost never collect items after the 1950s."One small secret: I use www to find the both military units, nothing else!!! I simply wrote "?/? 44708" in Yandex search system and got an answer in 5 sec " So much for all those silly people who work for Organizations With 3 Initials! Now if only I knew what a "Yandex search system" WAS! Rick
cosinus Posted August 1, 2006 Posted August 1, 2006 www.yandex.ru you need to have Russian font... Dima
Guest Rick Research Posted August 1, 2006 Posted August 1, 2006 Agh. I can only copy and paste the Cyrillic letters we have posted here INSIDE this website. My computer cannot read Cyrillic, Japanese, or any other non-Roman system. So... we will just have to ask YOU all our Mystery Numbers, then-- OK? These are all Air Force (and ALL my "mystery" numbers, I promise!)21486 on 25 May 195142364 on 29 August 197575320 on 25 January 195088011 on 28 June 1954Here are 21486 and 88011 from the 1950s already posted:http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2952All the other "Feldpost" stamps I have are identified from service records or they are clear on the documents what and where they were. It always me that every single State Security stamp I have states in full the name and place of the unit, while the military are the ones with the unit code numbers. Agh!
Gerd Becker Posted August 2, 2006 Posted August 2, 2006 Great job, Dima Any chance to find out, what these units were:Unit 40102Unit 54891ThanksGerd
NavyFCO Posted August 4, 2006 Author Posted August 4, 2006 By the way, is the photo of the citation hard to read (distorted) or is it just my monitor? The file I uploaded looks okay, but the one on the thread doesn't.... If it's hard to read I can post a better one.Dave
Guest Rick Research Posted August 4, 2006 Posted August 4, 2006 Nope, looks fine to me. Odd that there is no mention of any major exercises, just that (short version for Ed) he was a disciplined soldier and 1st class specialist whose duties in the motorized section of the 86th Anti-Aircraft Rocket Brigade deserved this award. Hmm.I guess MAYBE that "international honor" bit might have some bearing.
NavyFCO Posted August 4, 2006 Author Posted August 4, 2006 A little birdie told me that the weather in July 1972 was nice...in Egypt....
Guest Rick Research Posted August 4, 2006 Posted August 4, 2006 Agh! I was hoping to induce a little more suspense from Ed! But Dave's gone APE sheet on us-- [attachmentid=48722]Leetle boidies sang a song in the internal paperwork--from the Directorate of Military Advisors in the A(rmed) F(orces) of the A.R.E. for antiaircraft defense and of the whole A.R.E.A.P.E. to them...the Arab Republic of Egypt back in combined-flag days of yore.
Ed_Haynes Posted August 4, 2006 Posted August 4, 2006 (edited) No, Arab Republic of Egypt (1984--) is/was not the same as the United Arab Republic (1958-61). In 1972, it would have been just the plain old Republic of Egypt (1952-58 and 1972-84). Maybe the Soviets didn't know that? Edited August 4, 2006 by Ed_Haynes
Guest Rick Research Posted August 4, 2006 Posted August 4, 2006 Who could keep track? Stars on, stars off, undying brotherhood turned out to be ... a mirage.What DAY in 1972?
Ed_Haynes Posted August 4, 2006 Posted August 4, 2006 (edited) What DAY in 1972? The new flag and formal renaming of the UAR (back) into the Republic of Egypt (though it had really been dead for some time) was 1 January 1972. Arab Republic of Egypt? 4 October 1984.Aren't you glad you asked . . . ?? See http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/eg.html and linked pages to keep the flags and names straight. Egypt isn't as much vexilogical fun as Iraq. Edited August 4, 2006 by Ed_Haynes
Guest Rick Research Posted August 7, 2006 Posted August 7, 2006 Help! Dima! We can't Yandex our B/Ч numbers!!!
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